Author and worship pioneer LaMar Boschman discusses with Batsirai Chada how the music of God declares the works and nature of God. The music evangelism in the Bible is power evangelism because it is about praising God among the non-believer resulting in the power of God evidenced resulting in salvation.
These topics are in a transformational online course called The Music of God that will help you know how to use music to experience God's presence and power resulting in miracles.
1. The Bible instructs us to proclaim what God has done in music of the kingdom.
2. Singing about the nature and character of God causes us to be caught up in our spirit.
3. Witness in music in the Bible is in the context of vertical praise to God.
4. When the Spirit of the Father is drawing someone and then that person experiences the Spirit of God in worship there is a power witness - spirit to Spirit. This is power evangelism.
5. David sang praises (meaning to play a stringed instrument and sing) among the non-believers.
6. LaMar recaps the real meaning and purpose of music--to heal, to expel demons, to equip, to worship, to pray, to prophesy, to proclaim God's nature, to praise and see God manifest in power.
7. Do you want to be one of those kingdom music makes and study to be approved of God?
Hey, welcome to The LaMar Boschman podcast and I'm LaMar Boschman, and we're enjoying this exciting exploration of the music of God. In this series, we're going to discuss the music that proclaims and witnesses. In this episode, I hope you're enjoying the secrets of music making in the Bible. These episodes are based on topics from an online course called The Music of God available at lamarboschman .com . So let's summarize this and let's in our final session, discuss and discover the real purpose and meaning of music as it's found in proclaiming and witnessing. Hey everyone, this is LaMar Boschman . And welcome to this episode. And this podcast, the music of God and works exploring, the music making in God's kingdom; in God's economy. We started with music and heaven. What's it like, and then music making on earth and we're discovering the principles and the real meaning and purpose of music in the Bible. And we welcome you to take the online course called The Music of God and go deep. All the scripture references are there. There's the teaching, there's the impartation and you'll receive the impact and be transformed into being a kingdom musician, a kingdom singer, a kingdom minded minister, whether you play an instrument or not. So that's at Lamarboschman .com . Well welcome Batsirai, you have been with us this whole process. How are you doing?Batsirai Chada :
Very good. I'm loving this topic. It's just so much to learn so much that we take for granted that we don't think about. And as we get more familiar with these topics, especially through the course , I think we'll be better equipped to take our place as kingdom musicians, as as leaders in our churches, but also out on the highways and byways.LaMar Boschman:
Yes. Imagine having this kind of a revelation as you're driving down the road and you actuate these principles, and then you see the power of God move, or when you come upon an accident or someone they're dying or something, or you go into the hospital, or your children are sick, you can actuate these principles. I know my wife and I have applied them. And when our daughter was on a death bed and we stumbled on some of these principles because we knew they're in the Bible, but we found results as she came out of that path of death and is alive and well today because of it. So these things are true and powerful. Well, our topic today is music that testifies and witnesses, and this was one of the themes and trends that I found in the Bible concerning music, because there's many scriptures that say things like "everyone on this earth sing praises to the Lord day after day and announce that the Lord has saved us." So there's this aspect of singing and proclaiming and witnessing and testifying what God has done, but there's also the aspect of lifting Him up and exalting Him for who He is and that being a power witness to others. So we got two topics here today. We're talking about power evangelism through music, what it's really like in the Bible. And we're also talking about how music in the Bible testifies and witnesses of God's acts and his character. Now you have come across a lot of songs that have been transcendent and testifying of God's attributes and character. Correct?Batsirai Chada :
Yeah. Oh yeah. How has that impacted you? It's a cut above all the others. Put it that way because, because it's so transcendent, it takes you to places that are like , well, seeing things about the Lord or encountering the Lord in new ways that I don't in other kinds of things I'm in other vehicles or expressions,LaMar Boschman:
Probably because of the lyrics and the movement of the music and the melody. Wow. I never, sensed that, I never saw that i never experienced that before.Batsirai Chada :
Exactly. And again, it's cultural too. Um , I'm not saying it's a universal thing of, well, if everybody plays the song this way that even the people in Papua New Guinea are gonna respond in the same way. I think music in its form is progressions. It still has cultural meanings. You know, certain things are emotional to some people and not to other cultures. But when we do it in a way that communicates to the culture where we're speaking to in the musical language, it understands it's able to communicate in ways that nothing else can. And in the proclamation of who God is both to one another as believers, but also to the world around us, when they see. Like Handel's Messiah is performed by non-Christians all over the world, regardless of their belief or not. And they still see it, Oh, man, this lifts our eyes. This somehow this is so inspiring or this is so motivating or this is just beautiful. And , uh ,LaMar Boschman:
That's an example of the power of lyrics and the power, power of musical combinations of rhythms and melodies because it causes our spirit to lift. it's not everyday language. A nd plus it's from the Bible. So it's already anointed It's God's word. Well, that reminds me ... Talking that how music can be Impactful personally. Like I personally, This song moves me and how it can be corporately impactful, but there's also that element of our music making can touch the spirit of humanity. And if we find those songs and those lyrics that communicate through the music and the lyrics to the spirit of man that God put in man, all of us have almost the same, Same response. Cause we all have that same spirit God created within though it has different Expressions and a different house. You , a body of a suit that we wear, but the real us is a spirit man. And if we make music that appeals and witnesses to that, you have a power witness, right?Batsirai Chada :
Exactly. I'd be performing in soft seat theaters, you know, where people might sort of fail. You know, my, a date, a be behind a piano, singing a song and maybe a husband and wife who came, they were on the verge of separating, just broken down in their marriage. They sit through this concert of me singing the songs where the spirit of the Lord is doing things beyond the music, beyond the lyrics . It's just like just speaking, spiritual spirit, deep, crying out to deep. And then on the way home, I just had this picture. I don't know if the Lord showed me, but just as picture of the , you know , the husband reaching across and grabbing his wife's hand for the first time in months, all because of what they experienced in the context of an anointed musical atmosphere. And I really believe that. And you know , it can be as basic as that, all the way up to where people give their lives to the Lord. How many people have given their lives to the Lord in the midst of worship times, and nobody's led them there, nobody's asked them to do it. They'd come, come up to , maybe they come up to the alter . Maybe they do it in their seat. That's the power of proclaiming truth, proclaiming not just, not just lyrically, I think , but in like you said , spirits of spirit, that spiritual component where God uses something in the music and just the tool of music to communicate his purposes.LaMar Boschman:
Yes. And it's supernatural, spiritual, it's powerful. And as you're talking, I'm thinking of all these transcendent songs that have happened, like a Revelation Song or How Great is Our God or Waymaker and noticed that they all resonate to our spirit, but they're all vertical. They're sung to God, they're praise of God. And that's what I noticed in the scriptures here, where it says "everyone on earth sing praises to the Lord." And then it says another scripture is "sing to the Lord, his praise each day, proclaim good news that he saves." All of the context of witness or testify is in the context of praising to him. So as we praise him, there's a power witness that goes out to those that witnessed this like many shall see the new song, God put in your mouth and fear and trust and Lord that's evangelism. And it comes from the context of singing praise to God. It happens over and over in Scripture. Well, how does that strike you? What do you do with that? How could we apply that to our lives?Batsirai Chada :
I wouldn't need the aim for it. I think that's half the battle. Like we don't expect from it outside of, Hey, we did some nice music here, move on. But when we begin to expect that and look for that, I did a wedding once sang it a wedding song. And I didn't even particularly know the song very well or anything like that, that it was a request of the bride. And so I wasn't overly, emotionally engaged in the song and I sang it. And as I came back to sit down at my table and a person next to me, I was like, I don't think that guy there is a Christian, but while you were singing, he turns all of us. And he said, man, that guy's channeling something. AndLaMar Boschman:
That's exactly what we're talking about.Batsirai Chada :
Exactly. And I sat there. I was like, here's a nonbeliever who didn't have language. You know, if there was a Christian, maybe they would've said, Oh wow , God was really moving during that. Or I really thought the Lord, he was not yet believer,I like to call them . He didn't have language for it, but he knew that there was something different. This wasn't just a song. It wasn't just a pretty wedding song. There was something happening in the room. He sensed that. And I just loved the fact that that could be sensitive if we had people who were walking in that all the time. And I know you're saying that I do, I had that . I was not even emotionally engaged with a place where I felt like I was doing something really powerful. I was just like, I can't wait for the song to be done because I care about it too much or whatever. It was nice, whatever. But I tried to be authentic with it and live in the song.LaMar Boschman:
But what happened there, like you said, is that your spirit came through and it connected with his spirit and the avenue was music. Exactly. There's something so powerful about. And I call this power evangelism, a power witness when we began to lift up and sing to God and He comes, we just established that one of our episodes that He dwells in the singing praise of His people. And when that happens, there's a, a sense... Because except the Spirit of the Father draw someone, they can't get saved. So if the spirit of the Father's drawing someone and then the spirit of the musician or the worshiper is praising and worshiping God that causes there to be a power of witness between those two entities, spirit to spirit, people will say of a truth. God is among you. Come on. Cause there's that deep spiritual witness. I love that. This is so important in our music, making nowhere in the Bible. Do I find evangelism in music in the traditional sense that we've done it previously, where we testify by singing our story. It's not singing horizontally. That's the power witness. That's just head to head. That's just heart to heart, emotional, informational. I'm going to tell you my story, how I was away from God and God reached out to me and I gave my life to him. And that can be impactful. I'm not saying that's invalid. In the Bible though I don't see that yet. And I'm still studying. Remember, It's my life study. I'm still looking. There's over 1100 scriptures mentioned of music in the Bible, and I'm still looking. I see us singing praises to God. And there's this supernatural spiritual witness that goes out horizontally. In fact, I think that's why maybe many of the stadiums filled with worshipers is going to be the power moment of evangelism. We talked about how Kathryn Kuhlman and different evangelists actually lead worship, help people focus on the Lord and start singing to Him. And then God starts moving the power and people get healed. We can, we're going to see that more and more in evangelism. I believe.Batsirai Chada :
I think it's a result of people gathered together, singing praises singing specifically tehillah praises, God manifesting in the room, being enthroned in our praises. Unbelievers who are in that room going, Oh, like you said, surely God is amongst them or wow. There's something different going on here that I've ever experienced before. In that environment, dead things come to life . People who were there who don't know the Lord, I don't know what it is. I hunger and thirst for this. And yeah, it's amazing.LaMar Boschman:
Yes. And I remember in second Samuel, it says, therefrom give thanks unto you O Lord among the heathen among the unbeliever. Like you said, the not-yet-believer and I'll sing praises. And that word means to play a string instrument. You see how it's changed from the Hebrew and the Hebrew. It means to play string instruments saying in English, we just put praise. So I will sing and play my stringed instrument to Thy name among the, not yet believers. Why? Because God is going to witness. He's going to come in His spirit and presence and power. We're going to create an atmosphere and God's going to be in throne. And the Spirit of the Father is going to start drawing people because it's not about us and our powerful story and our moving music. It's all about him. Spirit to spirit, connecting with people and music as a catalyst to connect with peopleBatsirai Chada :
That is amazing. I just got a email from an old coworker and I think she saw some song I put online or something like that . Again, like, can you just like, Oh man, I was watching that. And I just, I just feel like God's really calling me and this and this and this, and I'd love to talk to you about it or whatever. And I'm like, what, again, nobody's coming up and saying, here's the three steps you need to do and gives a prayer. You need to say here's this and this and this. And now that you're a Christian, here's some worship music. No, it is the other way around where it's like, Oh, I don't know what's going on. But I sense, there's something that wants me and loves me even as you sing. And I want to know more about that. What is that ? What's behind the curtain here . What's going on. And she's not a believer necessarily. No, no, not that I know of. No . Right. And so it's just, it's those kinds of things where it's like, Lord multiply those things, do those things on street corners and stadiums.LaMar Boschman:
That's why we're talking about music of the kingdom. It's not our Western culture or the music business, a reference that we're having or context. We're talking about music that's altogether other than. Music that's Holy. Music that's God instigated, the intention of God being fulfilled in his purpose and meaning of music and the reason He wants us to use music in the believer's life. I want to recap some of what we're talking about in this whole podcast series of why and what the real meaning and purpose of music is. And Batsirai you can jump in anywhere here and just comment. The purposes for music in God's kingdom we talked about in this series; how music heals, how music is a catalyst for us to receive healing . We talked about how we can repel and expel demons through music and people get free. We talked about how we can equip and teach people and put in their minds. The word of God, we talked about how we can praise and worship God through music. And that's one of the purposes and intent of why God created music. We found out how we can spiritually fight. We found out how we can pray through music, how we can prophesy through music, how we can activate our faith through music and change the environment. We talked about how we can proclaim God's truth and how God and His presence is evident in our music making. And that empowers us. And we have a supernatural encounter with a power and presence of the Holy Spirit and how we can testify or witness in music. So I have a question, You Batsirai, and for everyone watching and listening, do we want to be those kingdom musicians? Do we want to be those Christians who are submitted to the King and make music the way he wants it to be made? Will we study to show ourselves approved to Him? Or will we just be those Fairweather Christians that just Flow and go with the times and the pop culture Can't make it through difficult times. We don't want to use our weapons. We're too lazy lethargic. No, I don't think you do. That's not why you're listening to this podcast. I think that you're one of those people God's drawing to be a power minister. What's your response Batsirai? What's your admonition to those that are listening as we conclude this series of the music of GodBatsirai Chada :
Choice to stand up and be counted into this sort of response to this call, to be kingdom musicians, to really fully explore what that means and, and how more effective we can be for. I think when we also see how effective and instrumental we can be in the lives of other people , um , as the Lord begins to use us, or do we want to be the kind of musician who, who people play in hospitals because sick people sort of recover. Like what , what do we want to be? The Lord is with us in either. But he's like, Hey, eagerly desire these greater gifts. You know, like Paul says eagerly desire. Um , there's there is a higher calling for the musician, just like there was for the Levites et cetera. It's like , we have the gift of music. We have the purposes of God. We have the word of God. We have all these tools at our disposal. Let's be good stewards of them. And let's explore, like sometimes we're always looking to like, well, who who's doing it the way in LaMar is talking about, it's like, don't even worry about that. Why not ? One of us be one of the pioneers and the forerunner let's go up there. And there's a generation of people coming behind us who, if they're only thing about God and music is here's the top 10 sort of worship songs. Like that's not the legacy we want to leave. Like God bless those songs. It's like, we want musicians to go , Oh yeah, I know. I want to be like, Batsirai, or wherever . Like I remember when he went to this hospital that he played. I remember when he went to the, you sang this concert hall and all these nonbelievers became Christian . I remember when he sang and this person who was really sick, got so much better. I remember when God came into the room, even before they opened up their mouth ,LaMar Boschman:
That's what we want to do. We want to be able to witness to others. We want to serve others in our music making. We want to be more impactful. We want to be more spiritual. And I'm sure that's what you desire. You desire to encounter God more and know his presence more. Music is the catalyst. Come into His presence with singing Anders Gates with Thanksgiving, his courts with praise. That's a musical term. He inhabits the praise of his people. That's a musical term. You counter God through music. Now you can pray quietly and have a sense of God and God can come and speak to you. But the basic principle of scripture, far more mentions than prayer, is how singing praises to God connects us with God. And if you want to be a musician who has supernatural power, when you play your guitar who see people heal, when you play your guitar, see people set for you . When you play your guitar, then I'm challenging you to study the scriptures in the Bible. And the go deep. What you're talking about and I'm talking about is mentoring. We're equipping and mentoring. We're sharing what we have learned, just like Elijah share with Alicia and Samuel shared with the school of prophets to train us in the music of God, the word of God, what the Bible says, and then be a catalyst to invoke the presence of God and change people's lives. Change your life, change your environment, see signs and wonders. And the key to miracles signs and wonders is this musical praise to God. I'm convinced of it is the context of the creation and the consummation. It starts with praise. It ends with praise and in between the beginning of the earth and the end of the earth is all these music makers, these earth dwellers that are making music to fight, to make a living in their life, to overcome darkness, to see healing come, they use music to vote God's presence. And when we leave these earth suits, we're going to be standing before and making eternal music. Man, I'm just getting blessed by this whole subject.Batsirai Chada :
So good. I have a good loading inside . I think it was Moody who said, the world is yet to see a man or woman fully devoted to him. And I was like, we can paraphrase that and say, the world has yet to see a musician who is fully devoted to him, studied in the ways of the music of God and going out there in power going out there. And in submission to the King , going out there with intimacy with the King, it doesn't care about status, who doesn't care about who gets the credit, but we'll go into the highways and byways can be in Buckingham palace or the slums of Bombay. Doesn't really matter. It just goes out there and says here, silver and gold, have I none. Or maybe I have a mud doesn't really matter. But what I Do , you have of value? Is this Here? Jesus Christ of Nazareth come rise up and walk.LaMar Boschman:
Amen. And we do that in the context of music making, wow, that's a good call. That kingdom musicians. And it goes back to the vision I had in Dubai that God, what role do kingdom musicians have Christian musicians have in the last days, he didn't answer me, but he said, I want you to mentor them. And that's why I did this course. I want to pray for you. As we conclude this last episode of the series, the music of God. Heavenly Father, I pray by the power of your Holy spirit, that those that are listening or watching this would be convicted in their spirit. As you call them, let them hear the call of your Holy Spirit, the pull , the drive, the artesian, the fountain, the flow coming out of them, the arising, the goosebumps that manifest in the natural from a spiritual cause because you are witnessing to them spirit to spirit. And I pray that they'll respond to study your word, to be mentored and trained and equipped to be power ministers. Whether they're pastors, whether they're profits, where they're intercessors, whether the play instruments or not. We all as Christians need to have the weapons of war, the musical elements that you have in your economy to use to minister in power, let that be revelation and let it be impartation to us. As we want to serve you a go to the next level of encountering you and every aspect of ministry, we pray in Jesus name. So I call forth all those musicians from the North, South, East and West and around the world who want to be kingdom musicians to step into this place, this high calling, to be a unique tribe to change the world, thank you, Batsirai for giving your best and your most and pouring out your heart and sharing with us in this series.Batsirai Chada :
Thank you . It's been such a privilege. I've learned so much of myself and so many times I'm sort of convicted or challenged or encouraged to go write this, or you need to play this, or I need to think about this a little bit more. Thank you very, very much while you're you're welcome.LaMar Boschman:
And thank you and thank you for hanging with us and these episodes it's been powerful and God's call is on your heart. I could feel it. I can sense it. These truths are in God's Word. It's going to change your life. I mean, it's going to be different. I mean, when I first came across this, when I was like 23 years old and heard preachers preach what the Bible said about music at one of the first worship conferences in North America, it rocked me to my core. And ever since then, I've been studying and looking and finding scriptures of music making in the Bible. Well, hopefully we can impact you and impart to you. So be blessed. And this series may continue to part two. I do not know because there's so much more yet to talk about the music of God and his kingdom. So until next time be blessed and actuate these principles in Jesus name.Speaker 2: