Author and worship pioneer LaMar Boschman discusses with Batsirai Chada how song is used in God's kingdom to pray and prophesy. Prayers in the Bible were often sung and to prophesy means to speak or sing by inspiration.
These topics are in a transformational online course called The Music of God that will help you know how to use music to experience God's presence and power resulting in miracles.
LaMar's books and blogs on the subject of music are available at LaMarBoschman.com
Welcome to the LaMar Boschman podcast. I'm LaMar Boschman, and we're having a great exploration of the music of God in this series by the same title. And I'm so excited to share with you my insights and my life study of music in God's kingdom. In this episode, we're going to discuss two of the purposes for music, the singing of prayers, and singing a prophecy . And you'll see how the spirit of God sings through His people. Hey everybody, welcome back to this podcast, The Music of God, and we're exploring the music and God's economy, the music in heaven, the music on earth, the music in God's kingdom. And this is revelation a last day, revelation. Very few people have taught or talked about it, but some of these nuggets we've explored. We found in the last fifty to a hundred years. And, but it wasn't known through church history and, but it's in God's economy and is revealing to us secrets , uh , in His kingdom concerning music. And I think it's because it relates to what is ahead of us, for example, and what we're going to face. But music is a vehicle by which we connect our spirit with God's spirit in prayer and in prophecy . And that's our topic today. And melody gives our inner spirit wings to soar in prayer and praise to God, but also in prophecy . And the Bible says in Psalm 61 "To the chief musician on a stringed instrument, a Psalm of David hear my cry O God, and attend to my prayer." And so what was happening is David is singing his prayers and you see this throughout scripture. So I want to welcome Batsirai Chada. Hi brother. You there? Hey, I'm here. Hey look at you Good. Good. We're excited about this topic of music, you being a keyboard player and a singer and a songwriter and worship leader. How does this strike you this whole aspect of singing your prayers instead of speaking them, which seems to me in my study to be the emphasis of how we're to pray in scripture,Batsirai Chada:
it's certainly a countercultural perspective we're not necessarily used to. And , uh, I've heard about it in terms of sometimes the context of songwriting, but it's like, Hey, sing your prayers and you'll find some melodies and expressions to things that are in our hearts. But I think to the Lord himself, I think there's just, again, like , it's one thing to say, I love you. It's another thing to sing it. Even as a way of expressing or of praying that music would accompany that thing's really powerful and just, Hey, now it's more than just words. It's more than just information. We're communicating emotion and things that are, things that our tongues can't even express.LaMar Boschman:
Right? And that's so good because two things it tells me about singing prayers when God emphasizes that. One is a God likes melody. So here it shows up again and our actions in our life in prayer, not only in praise and not only prophecy , but God likes it when we pray. He wants to hear a sing to Him. And the second thing is it gives emotion or emotional language to our prayers, to our thoughts, to our inner cries when we sing them. But it's so true. It's so foreign to us. Who does this? You know, maybe grandma does it when she moans and groans. I know intercessors do it instinctively because they're the ones that press in, Oh God, I just pray. And then all of a sudden they switched from, from talking to Oh, God, I just pray, move by your spirit Lord in Dallas, Texas. Move in power. Let there be revival and anointing. And we instinctively after praying awhile slip into melodic prayers. And that I believe is by the Holy Spirit. Yeah,Batsirai Chada:
No, that's so true. And I think one of the, like you said, at the beginning, our Western way of thinking sometimes where, I am not a singer.I don't do that. I don't want to be judged, you know, according to my voice or lack thereof. It puts some huge roadblock mentally for us to even go there. Even in our private time, it's like, well, I don't want it . God doesn't want to hear my crackly voice. Yes He does. And it's not crackly to Him at all. It's that, that mental block that we have that cultural block. If we struggling in our, in our own closets, what more when we're in a prayer meeting or in a group of other people,LaMar Boschman:
And the problem there is we're focusing too much on the melody. We're focusing on the art of music and that's the stumbling block for us in our culture is we think music is art. But we're looking and discovering now in this revelation teaching that music is part of the economy of God. It's part, it's like, it's like atmosphere. It's just there. And God wants us to exhale in melody when we praise when we pray and when we do what you just said, we're focusing on what do I sound like? It's too much about us? Like get over ourselves already. Exactly. It's just s o t o mental thing,Batsirai Chada:
You could imagine a child who's drawing. It's like, I don't want to, I don't want to draw. I'm not as good as Leonardo DaVinci. I'm not as good as it's like, so I'm not going to do it. You know, it's like, or I don't write as well as my older siblings. So I'm not gonna , I'm not gonna do this . All of those, those notes where the L's backwards, I love you. And the L's backwards and the O's bigger than the V and we miss all that. And so God's not caring. In Fact I think that really warms His heart as a father that really warms His heart when we, come to Him and sing in whatever capacity we have. Yeah .LaMar Boschman:
And here's the, here's the secret to that is that God doesn't even listen at your voice. He listens at your heart. God does not look as man looks. I believe God does not listen as man listens, God looks on the inside. He hears your cry, not your vocal quality. He looks past that form. Man looks on the outside. He goes , what would he look like? What do you sound like? You could change that note a little bit, but God Focus is totally different. So we got to get it Over that, get past that, to get to the heart cry in the encounter with God.Batsirai Chada:
Yeah. We're so blinded by being Christians for awhile. And we still fall back into those things. Even though we gladly encouraged somebody else, Oh, they'll just be herself . God looks at the heart. It's like, you know, here we are. We just fall back into that, that way of thinking ourselves.LaMar Boschman:
And you know, Eastern cultures don't have a problem with chanting. In fact more so than I think us Western cultures are more cerebral, but indigenous peoples would always chant and sing, and whatever's needed. Spiritualist would chant and sing, when you want to connect with the spirit world, you chant and sing because even demons know in God's economy, if they're fallen angels, they once had the experience of how music is so much part of God's realm. And yet we get, we stumble over the art form of music. I like what David said, "each night. I sing his songs praying to God who gives me life." Wow. He just started , he just cries out from his heart. And I think that's so beautiful. But we start thinking like, okay, am I writing a song? Okay. Let's package that let's practice. That let's perform that. And you know, it just goes, it goes over here when it was just a flower for the moment from our heart to God'sBatsirai Chada:
It's again, to that art form product package thinking. And obviously it can be those things, but just like we speak all the time. We say good morning to our spouses and our children. And we go about our day and we were speaking. And also we could record a very nice spoken word piece that we released on an album. Right? They're both speaking. One is intentionally done as an art form. The other one is done for just day to day communication. And we need to have, bring that aspect of music and singing into it. Hey, this is my day to day form of communication. And there are times where I make it into an art form and a product and I package it up so that others can benefit from it man if that's the only time we ever sing.LaMar Boschman:
Yeah. And then the focus there is, well, I want to package this for others. Well, do you not care about God? Well, that's, that's a byproduct . Yeah. It's about God. But sometimes we put too much emphasis on horizontal and there's a place to teach and admonish and, and, and use our, our tools to help other people. And that's part of the ministry Music in the Bible. But when you talk about praise and worship, when you talk about putting God center, and you're talking about prayer? That's between you and God and it's intimate and personal. So I think it's really powerful that we can use music to sing, to pray, to cry out to God. And I find this over and over; when you spend prolonged periods of time in prayer, you eventually get to singing your prayers. Yeah . I think it's by impetus of the Holy Spirit. For out of your belly will come rivers of the Holy spirit. Okay. Some of those rivers are musical because the Holy Spirit is a singing spirit and that's powerful. And that brings us to our next topic on how we can use music and that's through prophecy . Much of the Bible was originally sung. That blows my mind. I mean in every major section of the Bible, there's song, Many of the prophets sang their prophecies. We're going through that. My wife and I right now reading the Bible every morning. And , and Isaiah sang, Ezekiel had songs. There was a , the minor prophets have a lot of songs. Hezekiah sang. In fact, he sang a prayer song. He said, redo, redo this and play it on musical instruments. And he starts chanting this prayer to God and Zephaniah. And there's so many more also , uh , the powerful aspect of when you began to prophesy. And that word means to speak or sing. I think the Hebrew words, "naba" To speak or sing by inspiration. So we have a choice. Have you ever prophesied singing or used a song to prophesy a principle?Batsirai Chada:
Honestly, one of the easiest once you get past yourself. Yeah , that's right. It's one of the easiest things because the flow is so incredible. It's a weird thing. My wife , uh , as long as she came home from a harp and bowll session and talk about that in section in a second, but, and she's like, I rapped today and I was like, what? So yeah, we're in this middle of this prayer time and everything I said just came out as a rhyme and rhythmic and went on for awhile too. So harp and bowl is the form of mixing prayer, music and prophecy , like mixing them all together. This is just a powerful form for this expression that we don't typically do, but they will sing their prayers. They will sing the word of God and they will prophesy in song. Music is the thing that contains and unites and stitches all of that together. Right.LaMar Boschman:
Mike Bickle teaches on that a lot. And he comes from the same background I came from. this revelation of how music plays a role in prayer, praise and prophecy . And so that's, that's powerful. I'm reminded when Saul experienced signs and wonders with Samuel said to him, Saul, you're going to meet at a school of prophets or a, a worship team. And that's the first worship team in the Bible. And they're going to be coming down the Hill of God. They're going to have musical instruments in front of them, and they'll be prophesying. They'll be singing their prophecies. And when they came down and encountered Saul signs and wonders, started to happen. First of all, Saul was changed into a new man. And the second of all Saul began to prophesy himself and very likely sang prophetically. Now these school of prophets were trained by Samuel in music, the word of God (let the word of God dwell in you richly) so they had to memorize the Pentateuch and they used music and they knew how to invoke the presence of God with music and worship. And then they'd stroll around creating an atmosphere and prophesying out of these gifts: this reservoir of God's word, the inspiration of His presence, music playing. And this is a principle of God's word and a prototype for us to use in our music making here.Batsirai Chada:
So good. Yeah. I love that. I , uh, I love where it says Saul became a new man and joined in the prophetic and prophesied. And it's funny how we don't, you know, usually when you hear that scripture, at least when I, I would think of, Oh, they came down and they were just saying stuff, walking down the hill saying stuff, b ut, a nd I was like, yeah, w ho, a nd what does that mean? And you know, o ur church context it probably looks very different. The thread of music throughout the Bible, throughout the life of the people of God, in how they e xpressed when they were speaking, singing, speaking, or p rophesying teaching, there was a musical element to that. I don't think we really fully appreciateLaMar Boschman:
It reminds me of what Jack Hayford told me that the creation and the consummation of the earth is all in the context of song. And I think he also said, and everything in between is in the context of song. And that's the whole purpose of this course The music of God is that we're showing you as the Bible reveals how music is so much part of God's economy in heaven and on earth. God's people like you just said, Batsirai, and also in the future, when we stand before the throne, we're not going to be fishing golfing. We're not going to be prophesying or praying. We're going to be sing, Yeah , music and God's economy. So powerful. Well, another aspect about this, that , that blesses me is these guys were catalysts for God encounters. They had the word of God memorized they had it in their spirit. And they had music they're trained in the music ability. So they played instruments, they sang, and then they knew how to invoke the presence of God in worship. And they became catalysts with those elements. They became catalysts for God encounters and miracles and signs and wonders . So when they went out to sing, things started to happen because this is God's kingdom. They were commissioned by God. They were prophetic. So they only do a God tell them, and they'd go out and they'd engage in music, Worship of God and miracles would happen. And I want that for my worship team. I want that for me, I want to be a kingdom musician like that, don't you.Batsirai Chada:
And that's where it's at. Like, this is the beauty of this course, right? That we were able to reestablish a whole framework for music and for the place of music in our lives and not just a career, not just the things that aspire to get on a stage, you know , for it's like,..No even in our day to day, you know, folding laundry, doing the chores kind of day, that we can engage the Lord and encounter the Lord in song. Even as we fold those t-shirts and start singing. Lord I Thank you, God , thank you that I have a dishwasher or a laundry, a washing machine. And I thank you. I didn't have to wash this t-shirt by hand. Lord, you are so good andLaMar Boschman:
There is power in that because I remember Brian Deorksen , uh, changing diapers and helping his handicapped child. And he's saying, God, why am I doing this? I want to share, I'll share you in the nations with the nations. And he starts chanting and singing. And then Mrs. Riddle begins to sing and writes the song Revelation Song while she's changing diapers. So it's the mundane of our lives as we sing, As we pray, as we praise. And as we prophesy that things start to happen. And, and it is a catalytic moment. Yeah . Music is a catalyst for connecting with the power and Spirit of God. Well, I don't know those of you that are listening or watching this what you think and where you're at concerning music in God's economy, but we're here to challenge you in Jesus name to study, to show yourself approved, to be a musician in God's kingdom, not on the worship team. I'm talking about in the kingdom. It's totally different. It can be the same, but it's different. And how you can be a pastor who understands that the Levites, which were the singers were a gift to the priests to go together, empower ministry and catalytic ministry, to connect people with God. So your musicians, your singers pastor are to be a team with you. And together you're a power team to encounter God and see signs and wonders and miracles. It Is throughout the scripture. And we just don't take it in our Bible schools or take these courses in our universities. We get a degree in theology, but we don't get a degree in the theology of music This is the last days emphasis that colleges are now having these courses. And so I challenge you to take this music of God online course @ lamarboschman .com . There's a place there, a button you can click and you'll go right to that course and discover more about it. Because I want to see you equipped to be a power minister in God's kingdom. Amen? Okay, well, we'll see you on the next episode of this podcast, the music of God, and we're going to go deeper and discovering more of the real meaning and purpose abusing.