LaMarBoschman.com Podcast - Music | Miracles | Mysteries

THE MUSIC OF GOD #15 - Healing - Music Heals and Delivers

June 24, 2020 LaMar Boschman Season 1 Episode 15
LaMarBoschman.com Podcast - Music | Miracles | Mysteries
THE MUSIC OF GOD #15 - Healing - Music Heals and Delivers
Show Notes Transcript

Author and worship pioneer LaMar Boschman discusses with Batsirai Chada God's intent in music to heal and set people free of spirits. They discuss David playing his harp for King Saul and how he was healed and delivered of an evil spirit. LaMar defines what a kingdom musician is and how to see miracles in music.

These topics are in a transformational online course called The Music of God that will help you know how to use music to experience God's presence and power resulting in miracles.

LaMar's books and blogs on the subject of music are available at LaMarBoschman.com

EPISODE SUMMARY:

  1. David is called to play for King Saul to soothe his epileptic fits.
  2. What kind of music does he play?
  3. What are the qualities or principles that cause Saul to be healed?
  4. How did Saul get free of the evil spirit that caused his sickness?
  5. Why don't we see miracles like David saw in our music today?
  6. Kingdom musician who has their identity in Christ and plays and sings with the authority of Christ. 
  7. Why are some musicians and singers anointed and others aren't even when playing the same song?
  8. In our services during worship people experience God's presence and leave healed.
  9. David had his identity in God and because of his intimacy with God had the authority of God.
  10. Did David play in the moment?
  11. The difference between a kingdom musician and a Christian musician.
  12. LaMar challenges the listener to be a kingdom musician.
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LaMar Boschman:

Welcome to the LaMar Boschman podcast and I'm LaMar Boschman, and we're exploring the music in God's kingdom. We're having some great conversations that the real meaning and the purpose of music. Well , I want to ask you a question. How does God want music used? We will explore the music that heals in this episode. Hey, everybody, welcome to this podcast. I'm LaMar Boschman, and this is The Music of God. And we've been having conversations and exploring what music is like in the kingdom of heaven, but also in the kingdom of God here on earth. And in that realm, music-making is powerful and potent, and God has intent and purpose for it all. And that's what we're discovering. And our topic today is the healing power of music. But I want to invite Batsirai Chada from Oshawa Ontario. Hey brother. Hi, you doing? Jump on in here and we're going to have some good conversation about this whole aspect of healing. I remember getting revelation as a young boy when I was Mennonite I came out of that, went to this church in Vancouver called Glad Tidings Temple started learning about praise and worship and how we can be full of the Holy spirit. At 18, I experienced that. It was radical for me, and then we studied David's Tabernacle we studied Moses tabernacle, and then God had a prophetic word that went over my life that says you shall come and go says the Lord and the spirit evangelist will be upon you. And I knew that wasn't necessarily for preaching that people get saved the aspect of a catalytic minister, somebody that can be catalytic and inspire and cause people to arise to the occasion of the Biblical truth of whatever God was sharing. So I remember at 21 years old, God putting that in me. And the next year I got invitations to start traveling. And it was the first worship itinerant that I know of going back to 76, maybe a way back... Don't do the math on that. But back then , uh , there was noone traveling, speaking on worship or, or leading worship. We all did it part time. Well , we've come a long way. In our last session, we talked about how there's this metamorphosis, or reformation of worship. And now there's going to be a reformation in music making in the kingdom of God. Now, one of those things, I guess I went all the way around this to say, going to Bible school and sitting in many conferences and traveling around the world, hearing great speakers... Because I was just a musician back then. But I did hear one of those conferences pastors preach what the Bible said about music and it exploded in me. Oh , you mean, God has an opinion about music. Whoa. I started coloring with a olive green pencil in my Bible every scripture I came across that had music with it. Wow . My Bible turned green and now I still have that Bible Batsirai. And I, when I leave through it, I say there's music, there's music , there's more music. And then I want to understand the principle . Well, what's going on here? What is the thing the nugget? What is God saying to me about this scripture? How can I apply it in my life? And one of those aspects is that story where David plays his heart for Saul . As a result, Saul gets healed physically. Well, some scholars say that he had epileptic fits kind of loses his mine. And it was motivated by a spirit that God allowed to go inside of , of Saul . And he'd get into these fits and his servants thought, you know, if we could get a nice, smooth jazz musician who could place a fusion, then this thing would calm Saul down and he would get mellow . And , but it was a spiritual problem wasn't it? Hey, we know this great guitar player. Um, uh, yeah. Uh, David, I think he's over in Bethlehem. We could get him to come. He's skillful. Uh , the scripture says he's handsome. I don't know what that's got to do with anything, but he's a mighty man of war and the Lord is with him. Now that's a key phrase. The Lord is with him. So they bring this guy over, you know, the story. And he starts to play his guitar or harp. When David plays, Saul would become healed, he stopped his epileptic fits, he'd be healed and was well, the scripture says. So there's a healing power of music factors. A duo a message here. One is he's healed physically. And the other he's healed spiritually. The evil spirit leaves him. So there's a prototype here of David playing his instrument. Now doesn't say sang , but we assume he did. And that's what I want to ask you about what went on here. And then he played and Saul was refreshed and well, and the, there is deliverance that evil spirit left him and he was free of that demonic oppression. So we have a duo theology here, of what music can do in God's economy. So in your opinion, what, what was going on here?

Batsirai Chada :

Hey I was connecting it back to, those...our base principle here that music is flows out of the person. And I guess a rhetorical question back would be David's brought in plays his music and Saul is healed. If music was the thing, then surely they could have easily brought in another guy who was just as good. And the same thing could have happened. Or are we saying, nah, this something about David that David's music did the trick as opposed to it was music and anybody who came in and played would have done it , right ?

LaMar Boschman:

Not only on the music or the song or the delivery, but you're saying it could be something more.

Batsirai Chada :

because it's connected. It was David who worshiped in, secret out in the fields, right. And had those encounters with the Lord out there. And there was an intimacy that was birthed over there. That way he brought that same atmosphere into Saul's chamber. That same Lord, that overshadowed David in the field, overshadowed David in the chamber. The environment around him was now shifted because of what overshadow thing . But , and we see that same principle with Peter. He's walking on the way to the temple and his shadow begins to heal people. Now, is it the shadow or is it what overshadowed Peter? The intimacy that we have with the Lord expressed in music can do powerful things. And what we tend to do, Oh , hey it's the music. And we take that music and then we try to recreate it, thinking that we're going to get the same results, dress ourselves up like our brother as if we're going to get the same blessing we misconstrue it. So I don't know . I just think it's connected so connected. Yes .

LaMar Boschman:

I think that's very good because it ties into music, being something that comes out of our spirit. It's spiritual. It opens a spiritual door. It's more than just something we strap on our neck or a song we play or a playlist. And maybe that's why we're not engaged in the powerful music of God's kingdom because we're focused on the externals . Exactly. We're focused on the mix and the sound.

Batsirai Chada :

In the new Testament where I think Paul is healing people. And some guy comes in and says, can I buy this gift? Gimme, gimme what you have. Give me that power. Cause he's seeing the signs and the wonders and the healing. And he's thinking whatever you're doing, I can purchase that. It wasn't the case. Of course, it's something that rested on, on who Paul was. And we do this . Maybe sometimes we do the same thing with music. Oh, I heard this song and this person got healed by it. If we sing that song, the same thing will happen. Yeah .

LaMar Boschman:

Let's replicate it, reproduce it, and duplicate it and relive it, relive it.

Batsirai Chada :

And there are emotional aspects of music and song that do, that can be replicated when you play a sad song, no matter who plays it, you know, people get sad. Some people maybe get sadder when different people play it because of what they carry and the expression that they carry it with. But you can tell the difference between a kingdom musician who stands up there and the authority of Jesus and the full identity of who they are, knowing who they are in Christ and sings and declares a song. And another guy who's just like, Oh, I'll take that same sheet music and follow along here. Okay, I'll play that. And they may sound similar, but there's power on one side and it's just nice music on the other,

LaMar Boschman:

Right. And that ties into something else. You know, how we consider some musicians to be anointed and others play the same song and it's not quite as anointed. What's the quality? It could be the same song, could be the same arrangement, the same stems. But there's some inner quality of the singer or the musician that he's playing from a place that's deeper and more intimate with God. There's a spiritual essence, a broken spirit versus a prideful spirit, for example, could be a contrast. The same song. And that's another aspect of saying what you're saying right there. So true. Yeah. And so David was doing that. He was just being himself. I don't think he played cover tunes. I don't think that he tried to reproduce a moment that he saw on YouTube. He just was who he was. And it oozed from it . He was a catalytic music maker, connecting with God. And he just did it for Saul. Bam, signs and wonders and miracles happened. Oh yeah . He had a boldness about him. He had the, he had the sense of God's presence with him. So he had no problem ripping that lion's jaw part, clubbing that bear to death because he was fearless in his connection with God. Can you imagine being a guitar player like that? Or Keyboardist who had that intimacy with God that connected with God and then knew the theology of music making and he can step out and then he starts playing miracles happen.

Batsirai Chada :

That's the big challenge for us, right? Because forgetting all the fame issues and identity issues that we've spoken about, but it feels like... Oh, that's just so far away from who we are and what we're able to do in our own strengths that we just, the next best thing is to make a good show. If we can't do all that, if we can't do the signs and wonders, let's make the standard something that we can actually do.

LaMar Boschman:

And something we enjoy. So I like playing music, so let's just do it well, let's, let's enjoy this. And then, and then we use the worship rhetoric. Oh, you know, let's come into God's presence.

Batsirai Chada :

is it first Chronicles or second Chronicles? The dedication of Solomon's temple and the priests...because the glory fell even the priests couldn't perform their duties and everybody was on the floor.

LaMar Boschman:

And that came because of the catalytic musicians cultivating the presence of God oozing out of their spirit. Like you said, worship to Him because they were worshipers. They weren't doing a playlist that they were actually waiting the principles of music making. We're going to talk about, well, let me throw something else out here. When I was in Vancouver, I went to see Katherine Kuhlman at the Coliseum. She was very unusual. I was ready to see healings. Okay. I'm a young Mennonite fresh out of Bible college. I just got freshly filled with the Spirit. I w anted to see miracles. I heard about her power ministry, but instead I saw her just floating around in her chiffon dress around the platform. Oh, Jesus. Dino was on the piano and he's playing. Jesus, we love you, Jesus. And then the choir would come into a song or a chorus. Dino would continue playing? I didn't know then, but I started realizing Kathryn Kuhlman, Benny Hinn, and some of these others, are worship leaders, they're just facilitators. They don't necessarily have a miracle working ministry to a ministry of healing and deliverance and miracles. Not necessarily they can, but follow me here. They're creating an atmosphere and everybody in the Coliseum was reaching out to Jesus and they were singing together, glorious praises to God. And all of a sudden, someone screams here and somebody cries out over here. the ushers have them brought to the front. And then they tell Katherine, this man was healed. He was in his wheelchair. He couldn't walk, but now he's walking. And everyone goes ahhh. What are the principles that are happening there? Did Katherine lay hands on her. No, that man got healed because the power of God came while people were making music, singing praises to Him and God's presence came and God did the work. He was the unseen element that came and brought that spiritual element to this physical aspect of us crying out to him and God did it. And she just confirms it. And then Benny Hinn prays for the man in his crusades . So they're both in my mind worship leaders. So good actuating, the Biblical principle of music making and miracles and healings happened . Have you experienced that? Have you experienced healings with music and worship?

Batsirai Chada :

None that I can connect to me sort a like leading worship and then, you know, something happens in the middle, right. But numerous times where people have said it was during the worship, or sometimes it's a testimony afterwards , the weeks after, especially after I checked with their doctors and all that stuff, they're like , yeah, We were , in was service. And I just felt the Lord do something. It was a middle of worship. And they just carry on. And sometimes we can go like, Oh, who's leading worship that day? It's none of that stuff. It shows the potential. I was like, well, that was just the regular. That was the thing that just happened. That was the norm. What a power evangelism? People in their need and their distress and their situations with their broken relationships, broken bodies, broken spirits that they would come and find healing and restoration. There's this amazing song "we come in empty, but I leave filled. I bring my sickness and I leave healed, broken hearted . You mend every piece come in captive, but I leave free." That's wonderful. Right? And we're coming into His presence. We're coming and like you said, coming in with worship and with thanksgiving and praise. We're coming in to these gatherings. And we're not just looking for a nice word or we're not just looking for a pretty sermon or something , cute songs. We are looking for an encounter with the living God. And that happens, I would say primarily in worship, not because of musical notes, but because of what musical notes allow our full bodies our full expressions to do...

LaMar Boschman:

Yes. This whole aspect of , uh , David playing and oozing out of his spirit, who, in what he is, I'm going to throw in another element to that. What about the authority that he has as someone who's intimate knows his identity, who he is in God, but he's intimate with God. He's commissioned, bye God to play oversaw? He's given an opportunity. He's invited the Bible says, and the Lord's with him. It's not David's music. Cause anyone can play music and there's no miracles necessarily,. But there's something about not only David's spirit. But what about his authority? He's one that was submitted to God. He played what God wanted him to play played for the pleasure of God. He played at the will of God. He played under the commission of God. You see that's the essence of a kingdom musician versus a Christian musician who plays what he wants when he wants for his own pleasure or for the worship team or the pastor's pleasure or the congregation's pleasure. But kingdom musician plays for the pleasure of the King and the will of the King and what the King wants when He wants it. So there've been times when we as musicians have been sent on assignment. And we go into hospitals, we go into prisons, began to play. And were sent on assignment. And we don't necessarily play cover tunes of worship because there's some power in that because of what the , the songs declare the Word of God, perhaps, or there's a testimony or there's a soothing quality about the song or it lifts up the Lord or the name of Jesus is in the song. Those are all good quality spiritual principles of the Bible that cause your song to be powerful. But I think David was a player who played in the moment. I think he played what was in his heart, was in his spirit with the King, wanted to do . And he didn't play songs as such. He expressed himself through the language of music and his own Hebrew dialect that what was on his heart or acknowledging God's preeminence and supremacy and then God dwelt in his praises.

Batsirai Chada :

So good. Powerful! Good. Yeah, I think , I mean, songs are like good warm up before the run. Yeah. We don't glorify the warmup . The warmup prepares us for the run. Yeah. I don't think he's opening up his hymnal or his, his chord book and like , okay, well what should I sing today? You know? It's really just an explosion and expression of all that's in his heart conveyed through music. And then of course in our humanness we go, well, it must have been what he said or it must've been what he sang. if you do those notes in that sequence, that same thing will happen.

LaMar Boschman:

Yeah. So that , that challenges us as musicians. I want to talk to those of you that are watching or listening is that we need to be kingdom musicians. What that means is we are submitted to His authority. So are you fully submitted to authority? Are you doing your own thing, wanting to build your own kingdom? So that's the danger of trying to be a famous artist. That's the seduction of a Lucifer spirit - wanting to draw an entourage toward you. And that is like building your little following, your little kingdom. Or are you obedient to God, totally sold out that whatever He tells you to do, you'll do that. In that is authority, when you play that's at another level than any artist that you can name right now. Now they may have authority. That's their business with God. But I'm talking about those of us right here, right now, listening to this. Are you submitted to God? I'm not, I know I'm not a hundred percent of my music making. I still want to do the songs I like to do or what I think would fit that situation. I'm being honest here. And it makes sense. It's going to communicate this, going to create an atmosphere. We're going to do this. But I do remember the many miracles and healings and in fillings of the spirit and demonic people that were set free of demons. The times I've traveled in many continents from Argentina to Alaska, to the Dubai, I preached on guitars and ghouls 45 to 60 people started manifesting. These are Christians that are a few minutes ago, we're worshiping Jesus. They start manifesting. Now. I don't know how to deal with that theologically, but I know experientially that when I apply the music making God's principles that that happened. And I know the songs that will cause that to happen. Because I know the biblical principle and I want to share it with you, download it to you. It was an in the moment songs, it was no song from any album or CD. Nobody Bethel, Hillsong or anybody else has this song. This is a song that I sang from my heart to God's spontaneous instantaneous, bam signs and wonders happen . And people started manifesting. As a Mennonite Canadian with the reserved personality who's Dutch it stretched me. But I've seen it over and over around the world. The miracles that happen from this kind of music making. And so I want to challenge you to be a kingdom musician under the authority of the King. And start there, start by saying, God, I submit to you. I will be your musician. You guide me. You direct me. You teach me, you show me, you disciple me. You mentor me, you coach me. And then I will play what You want when You want. but I'm going to play for Your pleasure. I'm not gonna play for my pleasure. That's a total submitted Christian musician who suddenly now becomes a kingdom musician. Well, this has been powerful. We are running out of time, but we're going to explore this. We got 20 sessions. We're going deep. We're going hard. We want to be transformed into, kingdom musicians, and make music where the King manifests and miracles happen. Did you agree Batsirai?

Batsirai Chada :

Oh man, this was, if everyone can listen to this section , I think, wow, the appetite for what things could be like, yes,

LaMar Boschman:

yes. Well, we're going to go deeper. And every one of these is going to build another brick, another layer, and we're going to discover the music of the kingdom of God. And at the same time we got to make application and not just have the head knowledge and know the scripture yet . I know that story about Saul and David. And, but do you know the principles ? Do you apply it? And that's the rub. When you start to get into the word of God, we have to become submitted. We have to apply. We have to obey the word of God. Well, it's been wonderful. These conversations are going to grow, but I want to challenge you that you can be a musician who plays and you can see oppression , obsession, and possession, leave people and see them free the spirit of suicide, fear and anything that may be troubling them from Lucifer and his satanic beastly military strategies. You could Combat that ...cause watch out these next sessions. We're going to talk about the music that wars, the music, that worships, the music that praises, the music that causes these signs and wonders to happen in this interesting study. So take the course The Music of God. You can find it at www.lamarboschman .com. We look forward to our next session on this subject, the music of God's kingdom .