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THE MUSIC OF GOD #10 - Ascend - Lucifer's Ambition

May 27, 2020 LaMar Boschman Season 1 Episode 10
LaMarBoschman.com Podcast - Music | Miracles | Mysteries
THE MUSIC OF GOD #10 - Ascend - Lucifer's Ambition
Show Notes Transcript

LaMar Boschman discusses with Batsirai Chada Lucifer's ambition to ascend in notoriety and position. Why did Lucifer have this desire to ascend higher? What was the drive of this master musician to be more important and want to be like God?

These topics are in a transformational online course called The Music of God that will help you know how to use music to experience God's presence and power resulting in miracles.

LaMar's books and blogs on the subject are available at LaMarBoschman.com

EPISODE SUMMARY:

  1. Lucifer became arrogant because of his attractiveness and love for splendor.
  2. Lucifer, appointed and anointed by God, has a slow fade from perfection to corruption.
  3. Did he find his identity in what he did and not whose he was?
  4. Lucifer had a love for perfection and became ambitious.
  5. Are we getting our sense of worth from how we are seen? Perhaps Lucifer wanted to be seen to have worth instead of knowing he already had worth in how God saw him without doing a thing.
  6. Lucifer saw himself apart from God. He profaned the place of worship he was responsible for.
  7. Lucifer sowed discord, flatteries and gossiping among the angels he led.
  8. Lucifer wanted to ascend above his placement, dwell among the worshipers of God and be like God.
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LaMar Boschman :

Welcome to the LaMar Boschman podcast and I'm LaMar Boschman . And this series is called The Music of God. And in this episode, we're going to explore and continue to look at the mysterious music angel called Lucifer. We're going to answer the question. What happened to him ? This is based on the online course called the music of God available at www.lamarboschman .com . So let's joined this intriguing conversation. Well, welcome to this podcast. Number 10 of the Music of God, and we're discussing a exploring the mysterious music angel in heaven, and his name was Lucifer. And God gave him very special , uh , empowerment and an endowment of the music making in the celestial realm. And there's a purpose behind that. We want to discover that the question needs to be asked what did happen to him because obviously he's not there and he became Satan, like how did all that come about? But I want to welcome first Batsairi from Toronto area, actually Oshawa, Ontario to join our conversation as we talk about this mysterious angel.

Batsairi Chada:

Hey how are you doing? Good, good, good, good, good. Well , thank you.

LaMar Boschman :

And I enjoy talking with you because you and I are, are musicians and we also are worshipers and worship leaders, and we have this desire to know more about the music and the kingdom of God. Amen. Amen. So this is a from, by the way, if you're just tuning in for the first time, the online course called the Music of God and it's available www.lamarboschman .com and all the scriptures that we refer to in the back study and the teaching is there in that course. And that'll transform you from a Christian musician to a kingdom musician. And even if you don't play an instrument or sing, but you love to worship, you love God and you love music. We'll understand the power and the significance of music in God's kingdom, and use it to your advantage, to change atmospheres, to heal the sick and to use it to advance God's kingdom. Because there's principles that any Christian can use this is not just for the elitist or the artist. There was one day in the midst of the transcendent worship and majestic music in heaven. Lucifer's thoughts began to drift to his own beauty and ability, and he became arrogant. And God said to him, "Your heart was filled with pride because of all your beauty." This is in Ezekiel 28. "Your wisdom is corrupted by your love for splendor." So there began to be a slow transition from perfection to corruption in Lucifer's heart because of his haughty thoughts about himself. And this to me, Batsairi is a mystery. This perfect angel, perfect in wisdom, perfect in knowledge, perfect in music perfect in beauty exalted, and positioned in a conspicuous place, leading worship in heaven. And all of a sudden, this darkness comes in like, how can that happen? He's perfect. So it must tell us he has a free will now we're not theologians. And so we can't absolutely say that, but the purpose of these conversations that we're having is to speculate and to try to see what the meaning and what really occurred and try to capture that and come to some conclusions in our lives. So how do you think this corruption started in his thought life?

Batsairi Chada:

That's funny. I think it's probably something very common even to us as human beings. I think less so , so much a sin issue as a identity issue.

LaMar Boschman :

Yeah. But he's did , he's an angel. He's not a human being. That's where it breaks down because I can't imagine how somebody so perfect created by God appointed and anointed suddenly starts to think these thoughts and the thoughts are of ego and pride and self-importance,.

Batsairi Chada:

I think t hat's where it ends up, right? Like, I m ean sort of quickly gives the... Well here's, you know, here's what you did, but it's often a slippery slope, right? It's a slow fade. Anyone who finds their identity in what they do, as opposed to who they are in Christ, in God, that speaks to most of sentient beings. As soon as he says, Hey, what's important about me is my talents. My gifts, you start getting pleasure from splendor, right. As soon as that begins to happen, I think that's where you start beginning to see your own skillset and your own giftings as the source of your identity. And because he is so amazing and so perfect. That becomes a source of pride well I am great. C ause he was great.

LaMar Boschman :

So it turns from a fact to some kind of a stronghold or, or it becomes instead of seeing himself as paradigm.

Batsairi Chada:

Yeah. Instead of, I think instead of seeing himself as one created by this Being that I worshiped by this omniscient, omnipotent God it's, Oh, I'm a great singer. Or I am a great musician or I am a great worship leader. And that becomes a source of confidence in the source of identity. And as soon as you do that, now, all of a sudden it's like on our end, we look at ourselves and sometimes we navel gaze and we're like, well, I'm not that great. You know? Cause we look at our skill set and go, Oh , I am actually perfect. I'm not , I'm amazing. Right. And so now instead of going downwards, instead of navel gazing and saying, Oh shucks , I'm just not good enough. He goes, I am good enough. I am, I am so perfect that I could be God. Right.

LaMar Boschman :

So he's so another aspect to what you're saying is that he probably violated his identity with God, his relationship with God somehow when he began to be the center, see there had to be a switch where he served at the pleasure of his Creator and reflected back the glories of His perfectness. And suddenly the focus began to, like you said, slow fade , uh , began to be about him. And that consumed his thoughts. Cause it says here that he was filled with pride because of all your beauty and then your love of splendor, your love of the magnificent, the perfect you're , you're passionate. It's like musicians today that will do anything to be play this perfectly, to be perfect at this, to be the best at this.

Batsairi Chada:

Exactly. And that's the fine line between perfection and excellence and why we want to be one of those two again, if your identity is in what you do, every musician says, well, that's not me. That's not me, but it is. And then we find ourselves like that . Then the drive for proving ourselves, the drive for excellence, the drive for, I feel better when I'm what I do, what I do well, and I look good in the eyes of others when I do what I do well.

LaMar Boschman :

And so what is that pride that's.

Batsairi Chada:

yeah, that becomes pride and, or the opposite false pride where it's , it's almost like all shocks . I'm no good. You know, like whatever, either way where we are getting our sense of worth from the eyes of others. Instead of saying , I already have worth because of how God sees me before I did a thing.

LaMar Boschman :

And so I, when you say that I see idols, I see idolatry where other things come before God and His purpose and will, and I'd never thought about this before, but Lucifer began to exalt himself above God and think of himself as more important than his placement, his function. And we're going to see in a minute then God himself. So there's dollar tree.

Batsairi Chada:

Yeah. And he, he was the original idol to himself , like for himself, praise me . But again, I don't think it's like , uh , Oh, I think I'm better than it's more of a, your identity shifts from, I am created by God to, I am perfect because I am perfect. Everything that he was, he was glory in his perfection, his giftings, his , whatever. Those were all given to him. Those were all exactly what God... Like it wasn't like he had false ideas about himself. He was perfectly right. But that became his source of truth. And this sort of... his confidence and self worth was in his perfection, not in his createdness by God. He didn't identify himself in God. It was more of apart from God. I'm still perfect.

LaMar Boschman :

Yes. And that's a good point. And so that began to be the pivotal point of all of his thoughts and actions. I'm curious about your thoughts on Ezekiel 28:16, where it says, because he acted upon this pride it's here it is. I think it's verse 18 of Ezekiel 28. You have profaned your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities and the enormity of your guilt and the unrighteousness of your trade. One translation says, and that has the idea of him moving among...Cause it says he walked back and forth among the midst of the fiery stones...the angels. And trading has the aspect of sowing seeds of discord. It talks about, I can't find my in my notes right now where , where I break it down, but we do in the online course, but basically he was sharing false secrets, sowing discord, discontent, and posturing himself for a revolt against God. And that's the aspect of trading. It has the idea of exchanging gossiping or revealing secrets or flattering others as found in Proverbs 20:19, where that word is used again. So his a gossiper. So he starts moving among the angels. So he starts to act out on this pivotal point that you're established here, that he is perfect. I am personal truth. It's a fact I'm perfect. So that begins to be his focal point. And then he, he gets this entourage and he starts sharing secrets and whispering and manipulating and moving. You know what we call that? We call that lobbying. Yeah. And that's what's happening in politics. That's what happens and that's corrupt. I began to see this and I started to think that whole aspect of lobbying and even the whole aspect of promotion in the music business is slightly satanic if not totally, because that's not in God's economy, you don't promote yourself. In this course we're gonna talk about what it is to be a kingdom musician and the kingdom is upside down from anything we do. Most things we do in the human aspect. So when we apply this aspect of music-making that's perfect in heaven to the way we do it on earth in the secular music business. Wow. There is tremendous contrast. But getting back to this, he starts moving among the angels and he starts whispering.... starts talking to them. Okay . Yeah you want to be in my choir? You want to sing in my ensemble? How does that strike you? What are your thoughts about how he started to act out his ego and pride?

Batsairi Chada:

Well, I guess, you know, as soon as you see yourself as a potential God or a potential leader or potential, I could be number one, I'm number two right now I'm number four. But I think I could be number one. I mean, we see it in companies, churches, armies, kings, queens..., Musicians, but we see that sort of,

LaMar Boschman :

but the principle of the Bible is don't compare yourself among yourself. Exactly. You see opposite that is?

Batsairi Chada:

Yeah, exactly. And that's what he means too , because as soon as he says, my worth comes from who I am, then it's like, well, who I am is I need to get validation now for that. Um, and so I begin to go amongst the people and say, Hey, you know what? I think I could do a better job. I could, you know, I begin to lobby for my own self importance in my own... I need to justify my perfection here. And so I think I can do a better job than him, or I think I should be number one. And in order to get that, I need to get some support. So it's an interesting thing because even if he convinced a hundred percent of the angels, right, what would that matter?

LaMar Boschman :

Exactly. There was somewhere he was going with that.

Batsairi Chada:

And that's the question. Even if you got everybody on your side and every angel turned against God, what does that matter? You're still, it's still not even anything that could come close to toppling God, it wasn't a democracy. It's like, Oh, you got 51%. You know, this wasn't the issue. So it's a very interesting concept. And I think that's what we do normally. And as soon as our identity is outside, our identity needs to be beheld . And I think if our identity is beheld by God, then there's a security there in his steadfastness. When our identity is outside of that, now all of a sudden we need something else to reflect back to us. So we look for people, we look for those around us, give us validity... To give us validity. And that's what Satan was doing. Not, I don't even know so much if it was a full form , thought of one day, I'm going to take over. Right . But that's what darkness does. Right? It confuses you and you don't think straight.

LaMar Boschman :

Yeah. Cause he says in the scriptures and God is saying this to Lucifer, "You have said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven. I will rise. Uh , myself and my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mountain to the assembly and the remote parts of the North. I will ascend above the Heights of the cloud. I'll make myself like the most high." Yeah . That's a lot of I wills and I'm going to there and God nailed him. Read his mail. These five ambitious thoughts of Lucifer exposed him and where he ultimately went to. Even though yak , you said he didn't think of that initially, perhaps, but a slow fade, a transformation. You become like what you worship. If you worship an idol, you become like the idol . You talk like the idol, you think like the idol, you dress like the idol and you become a Kardashian . And that's how this thing evolves. You wear the tattoos, you wear the clothes. And so Lucifer deceived his own self and a metamorphosis took place. And then he said, all these ambitious things, it's amazing. Like I will ascend into heaven. That means I'm going to rise higher than I am now. And how many musicians want that? I'm not satisfied with my identity and my placement, my appointment, my anointment , Hey, I can do this better. I want to have more followers. I want have more likes. I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. That means he wants to lift his ruling power above the angels...just the common worshipers. But he was ...the thing is he's already there. Yeah. Like how could a person think like this?

Batsairi Chada:

Man. And don't we all in so many ways, if our identity is not rooted and grounded. There's nothing else to do. We will look for affirmation. We will look for validation in the hearts and the , in the eyes of other people. That's the only thing we can do. And outside of saying, Hey, I'm going to look for that validation in the eyes of One who doesn't change in the eyes of the One who to, where belongs to the pursuit of this , you know, contemporize it, you know , for today, like the pursuit of followers for the sake of, well , I have a million followers now. I think I am something. But at the same time, Jesus is like go into all the world and preach and tell everybody. But the motivation behind that is the, the healthy version is I know who I am in Christ. And whether I have one follower or a billion followers actually makes no difference to me because I just enjoy moving with God and, and helping people. Yes. And so others are the focus. Others are the focus and if they all leave me tomorrow and they all walk and follow the next guy, I'm okay . You know, you think of John the Baptist and the struggle that he must have had, like I had all these people, I was baptizing everybody. Now everybody's going over to Jesus. And he has that conflict. You know, are you the one? Are you the one that we heard about? And Jesus confirms it , of course, but I'm the friend of the bridegroom . I want the bridegroom to be exalted. I want the Bridegroom to have first place. And that's what Satan didn't do.

LaMar Boschman :

And there's one thing that bothers me that I wanted to get your perspective on that He said, and he said, I will sit also on the Mount of the congregation, on the farthest sides of the North. And what scholar says, that means that he wants to sit alongside God where God meets with his people. He was to sit alongside God. And this is suggesting Mount Zion, the Mount of God's manifest presence. So Lucifer is saying he wants to rule and exercise his power among the worshipers where they meet with God. Well, if we could remove the veil, and see into the spirit world. When we gather in a local churches and worship, is there something else going on in the spirit realm, if he wants to sit also among the worshipers that meet with God, are we targets?

Batsairi Chada:

Oh yeah, we always targets. But not in a way if our identity is in Him, that we need to sort of fear. But I also hear that him looking forward to being in that place where he sits with the congregation. It speaks of influence, you know , God is communing and He is reverenced by these people. And I want that too. And so sometimes, you know, you go on Instagram or YouTube or whatever, and you see somebody getting a lot of applause or a lot of likes, a lot of whatevers. And we go, I want that influence. I want to be revered like that. I want to be validated. I don't just want to be perfect. I don't want to just be good at my talent. I want everybody else to know that I am good. I want everybody else to revere and to applaud me too. And of course all for the glory of God, but I want to be in that spot.

LaMar Boschman :

And your idea of, of Lucifer wanting to have that adoration as well starts speaking of an influence, starts speaking of his desire for worship. Yeah. And he already was the center and over the throne, but , but he wasn't the focal point. God was, he was just a servant, a catalytic musical entity bringing worship to God. And now he starts turning. And after all these ambitions, his ultimate goal is I want to be the recipient of the worship. Well we're running out of time , uh , Batsairi. And I appreciate your thoughts, but we're going to continue talking about this. Uh, what Satan's ambition is, where he's going with this and how he's at work in your neighborhood and in your life, trying to get you to , uh, maybe adore him and how he does it as a master puppet. Well, we're going to look at that some more, but anyway, this is LaMar Boschman. This is Batsairi Chada from Oshawa, Ontario. We're having conversations on the music of God. You can get more of this on the online course at www.lamarboschman .com and we'll look forward to seeing you next time in this podcast, tell a friend and we'll meet you in the next session.