LaMar Boschman a keynote speaker, author and a pioneer of today's worship, discusses with Batsirai Chada about the music cherub Lucifer. What does the music of Lucifer like? Did he have instruments and if so what kind are the? Did he sing while he played them?
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Welcome to this podcast, the music of God on Lamar Boschman and we're on exploration of the music of Heaven. Our conversations are based on topics covered an online course called The Music of God, available at LaMarboschman.com And this step of so we're gonna talk about the music of Lucifer. Well, welcome to this podcast, the music of God. I'm LaMar Boschman, and I'm so excited about the subjects. But my life study in fact The very first book I wrote was the rebirth of music with 1100 mentions of music in the Bible. Wow. So God has an opinion about music. So we're studying it in this course, and this course is just actually part one, not the podcast. I'm talking about the course that's online at LaMarBoshman.com. I call it part one because this topic is so big, there's gonna be a part two and three who knows? Because it goes on and on and on, and I have not found the end of this message or this subject matter. Yet there's always new things to find in God's Word. Amen. Well, there's a difference among scholars like a pointed out in the last session. If this personality Ezekiel, talks about is really Lucifer and if he'd really does have the ability to make music. But you missed the point, if you don't know it's a dual prophecy, it's for the King of Tyre. But it's also for Lucifer, the power behind him, because in Ezekiel 28:13 it says the workmanship of your tambourines and of your pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. So we're gonna talk about this, and I want you to know that some translations won't say it. But remember, we said in this podcast that if it's in any translation and inferred in text in any way, that we're going to go with that because we want to stretch our concepts concerning the subject of music in the Bible. So somewhere somebody saw glimpses of this potential of possibility. And I'm not a Greek scholar and I'm not a Hebrew scholar. So we're gonna take their translations and kind of accept them as we think of the possibilities. Okay, so let's welcome Batsirai Chadah from Toronto area in Canada. Hey, brother, come on in. Join the conversation. Thank you very much. You're welcome. It's good having this dialogue. I think that we need to share it with all of our peeps and all of our tribe, because this subject will really help all of us in our music making so excited about it. In that scripture Ezekiel 28:13 bats, right says they used the word, the workmanship that word means service or ministry. So think about it, the Ministry of your Tam arenas. So there's a purpose for him making music. There's a service, an intentional act for the blessing and the benefit of others in the tambourine and it says pipes. Now some translations Just call those settings for stones. These little things in the New American Standard, America Standard version, Young's, Webster's in the HNV say that they're tambourines and flutes. Can you imagine? And this is something important to point out is was prepared "for you "and some translations say "in you" on the day you were created. So God prepared tambourines and pipes could be flutes, for Lucifer, and later on it says it was put in Lucifer. So let's just look at this aspect of Him creating percussion instruments. This is like a small tambourine with the skin stretched across it and some bells maybe hanging from it. And it was very primitive, but we have no idea what it sounded like if it had any tonal quality. Lucifer has this ability. To make music in this percussion. So Batsirai do you think God likes percussion. Does He like rhythm?
Batsirai Chada: 4:16
Yeah, If God's placing it actually like you said within him. So it's not something external from him. It's not something he has to go over there and do, huh? But just something that is part of his being., They, um and that just says... Like if God orders that He wanted it. So if He's making, say, Hey, I made you wanted to equip you with the things you need to do your job, to do your assignment. And those things include instruments that I'm placing not just next to you, but in you. Like we said in the very first session that music, being something that was part of us, not something external that we creates,
LaMar Boschman: 4:57
Right? Well, this whole aspect of the percussion, what would be the purpose of rhythm or percussion in music that's in the moment, spontaneous from multiple sources. There is no downbeat. There is no 1, 2, 3, 4. What do you think?
Batsirai Chada: 5:13
Even in the most spontaneous things, like again like in Zimbabwe. We use a lot of drums, and we use a lot of like shakers and is also things called Marimba, which almost like xylophones that had sort of a woody kind of tonal quality to it.
LaMar Boschman: 5:29
But it's a rhythmic expression, rhythmic expression, not a meter on a click track.
Batsirai Chada: 5:34
Exactly. It's the ceramic expression. But again, if music's fundamentally just these pulses of frequency, the frequency has a rhythm. That rhythm is part of music. I would argue that without rhythm, it's not music sort of sounds. Now, rhythm doesn't have to be percussive like in terms of .... it could be like a melody that, la, la, la (Star wars) that has a rhythm to it, even if it's not percussive in its nature. And again if you're the chief musician, let's call it and you are leading angels upon angels. I think the most important thing would be that you would have a rhythm...A rhythm unites; a rhythm allows people who are singing or in the room to play alongside to play with and be unified. And the rhythm sets the meter and sets the agenda. It would be probable that the leader then would have percussion is part of him.
LaMar Boschman: 6:33
Yeah, and that makes sense, because I remember there was teaching that the beat is of the devil it was not based on anything on Scripture. Because the Bible says, praise him with the tambourine. That means strike to beat. Come on, let's go and dance. Well, you gotta have some rhythm to dance unless you're just kind of floating around with some existential movement.
LaMar Boschman: 6:56
And then when you think about how God has given us a heartbeat, how there's pulse and sees a lot of times and rhythms in nature and in quasars and and throughout the waves of the ocean there's there's intervals. Morning, noon and night, the planets and how they move. It's all rhythm. There's something about this that is fundamental with God, and so it would naturally be in music. Correct? Correct, because that's part of his, the way He wants things to be.
Batsirai Chada: 7:26
I love the word cadence.
LaMar Boschman: 7:28
Yeah, that's a good
Batsirai Chada: 7:29
word that can apply also to music. But it applies to those examples like there's a cadence to the waves of the ocean.
LaMar Boschman: 7:35
And maybe that's more what the music's like in Heaven, because this certainly I can't see them being all on beat. 1, 2, 3 and 4 together when they're singing different languages, playing in their different cultures, all singing in the moment different things. So a cadence, though, could evolve. ...like this group over here, you know, they got something this over here and this whole corporate expression that's multi multicultural, multi generational. I mean, are we all gonna play and sing the same? I don't think so, but they're still rhythm that's part of that story. Cadence a throb. There's another instrument Batsirai, that Ezekiel says that he had. And it was this, this wind instrument called flutes. Jamison, Faucet and Brown say they're literally holes and musical pipes or or flutes that involve into a pan flute. It's plural. That means Lucifer had the ability to make sound on multiple instruments. Now it starts to get complicated. He probably didn't put them up to his lips, if he had lips at all. Cause we're gonna find out that he possibly had four faces but one head. See, angels don't have wings. They're just depicted with wings because they move quickly. But archangels have wings. cherubs, have wings. Yes, we're gonna find out more about this, but let's stick to the point of his music making pipes. Flutes. So there's this wind instrument aspect of him. Does that bring any revelation to you?
Batsirai Chada: 9:07
Yeah, again, Like the whole thing of spiritual bodies. Physical thing, flutes, so that needs air to pass through it at a certain speed. Sort of creates a vibration, so I don't know. But when you were speaking, I was thinking of a more like a pipe organ.
LaMar Boschman: 9:22
Well, there you go, multiple pipes sounding
Batsirai Chada: 9:26
LaMar Boschman: 9:29
and we don't know if there's air actually up in heaven. But there's this aspect of breath, and when you think of breath in the Bible, the Holy Spirit is depicted as breath. God breathed on Adam. He became a living being--a spirit being. And when you think about spirit and air, life and breath coming from God's mouth and coming from ours as a blows and makes a makes a drone. It makes frequencies of sounds. There's music in it. That's why I think God sang the heavens into existence. I don't know. It's just that theory.
Batsirai Chada: 10:05
it's just the passing of matter, of some substance, through another and escaping at a particular pitch because of where the holes placed. I think the big point is that there's a percussive type instruments in the tambourines, but you also have a melodic type. Instruments in the pipes. Yeah, that the two things combined.
LaMar Boschman: 10:25
Maybe they were harmonic, too. Possibly, if there's more than one
Batsirai Chada: 10:30
exactlyYeah, you would just do different things. I think of those one man band, type things, a big kick drum and harmonica on his mouth and stuff like that.
LaMar Boschman: 10:39
There's another aspect, another musical entity that he says cause in Isaiah 14:11. It says, I will bring down the sound of your stringed instruments. And this is a prophecy again to do a prophecy that is conducted to the King of Babylon, but also to Lucifer behind him. And it says string instruments, which the word typifies a harp or guitar like instrument. So now we got wind, we got percussion, and now we got stringed stringed instruments. That's plural again. Well, actually, they're all plural. I think tambourines was plural too. Yeah. Yep. Tambourines. So Wow. So there's a principle here. Made music on three types of musical instruments that God placed inside of him. Wow. You have to get to the course to find out what exact scripture it is. It said that it was prepared in him and the day was created or what version that was. But if that's the case, he didn't sit down at a drum set. He was a drum set. I didn't hang guitar externally around him. He was guitars. Yeah. Hey, and he was full. Pipes. ...So he was not a player of instrument. He was an ensemble of instruments. Like you said, a one man band all composed in his makeup. Whoa! Drop the mic. Blow my mind again.
Batsirai Chada: 12:14
That just speaks to...if God would label that with the seal of perfection and say this is ideal. Well, is that music is not something that is external, just external. It should be something that wells up from the inside. It's not the playing of instruments. That's mean God has already made us an instrument with our hands clapping with pipes on our voice with reeds and our vocal cords, obviously our feet and hands being percussion. He's not looking for something externally created, but something that emits from us. That's the perfect sort of type of music. We've let the external big music and stones and all this stuff, well produced stuff, to be a standard. But our own song is the standard.
LaMar Boschman: 12:58
Yeah, and that's why this course and this podcast so important because it's pointing us to be like the music in the Kingdom of God like it is the music in heaven, the original intention of music in God's economy. So wow, these three instruments inside of him. It's a whole band, and yet he was brilliant and stunning and could make all this music. And it says in the Bible that he was the anointed cherub. We're gonna probably get into that a little more in the next episode. I'm not sure, but it tells us he's a chair up. The cherubs that are described in the Bible had multi wings. Some of them had four faces facing each direction and one head and kind of like the four living creatures, but little different, Seraphs and cherubs, they're very mystical and their descriptions are hidden in Scripture. But seraphs sang. One question about Sir, I did Lucifer sing? I can't find where there's any reference to him singing. But because seraphs sang and these four living creatures possibly were cherubs, they weren't Archangel type cherubs, perhaps a lower dimension. I'm not sure. And they are singing, we can surmise, very possibly, Lucifer sang, What? What are your thoughts on that?
Batsirai Chada: 14:21
I would agree with that. I'd also say, Well, what's singing? Isn't singing the passage of air through a pipe with some reeds on it. He's already spoken about pipes. Maybe there's reeds in it. You know, he's got so many vocal, you know, who knows what those things are again. Make sure we don't try to... well he's got pipes. It says he has pipes, so that must be, you know, he's got a whole bunch of silver flutes sticking out of him. Where as it maybe hey, like you have multiple vocal chords. I love this is throat singing I think it's called here. You see a couple of examples were on YouTube where people can sing a cord. So instead of one note, you know, they would sing a chord. So it wouldn't be just like a C, uh, they can somehow make three notes in their... with that one sound. Wow. And it is crazy. It's a skill, you know, Maybe has multiple vocal cords. I don't know. It's just we have a pipe. And so if he has a pipe, could he sing, Yeah,
LaMar Boschman: 15:22
That's really thought provoking because it's very possible that he had some kind of expression that's way beyond our ability to comprehend, cause I'm I'm still baffled by how he makes music on all these different instruments that are inside of him and you know, how they interacted with each other. And he wasn't a player. He didn't just hang them around his neck. He he oozed music. That's why I call them the music angel. He just oozed music. it's just captivating. But one thing it tells me is that let it be done on earth as God created in heaven. If God valued a music angel to ooze music out of him in different expressions than may, we be those musical instruments. May we be those musical entities that ooze rhythms and sounds and pitches to Him constantly and continuously.
Batsirai Chada: 16:22
Exactly. Yeah, we are not fulfilling our full potential. And I think, you know, sometimes you see these people, these musicians and other other countries, especially like in indigenous cultures or Western, Eastern cultures. The musicality is not Oh, look, he plays the piano. Well, it's just something like in the way they sing in the way they talk some. Some languages are actually very musical in and of themselves. They have tones and pitches. And, yeah, there's something about music. I think the big take away from all of this is music isn't something in God's mind that, ideally separate from us or something that we do. But it's something that comes from within us both in a physical way, in her hands, clapping and are singing and are stomping of feet but also just even at an emotional level that it's what makes a song special is the heart and emotion behind it. I think Lionel Richie once said, I play, C like everybody else plays, C, you know, but it's how you play a C. Yeah, that makes all the difference and make people feel something. And I think God has placed that ability in us as His creative beings.
LaMar Boschman: 17:33
Yeah. And so we should focus on that and become those entities that ooze musical pitches and rhythms to God in worship as a life, as as an entity. Because wherever this entity goes, you know, worship goes because I'm I'm a temple. I'm a mobile temple of worship. But instead we go put it on a platform in an elevated place and ask earthlings to look at us and praise our art. Look at this thing I created. Aren't I special? So you see where this is going. We're going to get into this in our future episodes of the music, angel and the darkness that lurks inside of him. So thank you. Batsirai. This has been a great discussion. And I'm LaMar Boschman I'm looking forward to our next session, when we'll explore the appointment of this magnificent musician and we're gonna break down what his role was a little more of specifically. So don't miss it. Check out the music of God online course at Lamarboschman.com and go deep, do a study and tell your tribe and tell your team about it so that they, too, could become the kingdom musicians God's looking for. I believe in the end days, so we'll see on the next episode of Music of God.