Inspiring author, LaMar Boschman discusses with Batsirai Chada the singers of heaven. Who are they and what do they sound like? How do they sing and what do they sing?
These topics are in a transformational online course called The Music of God that will help you know how to use music to experience God's presence and power resulting in miracles.
LaMar's books on the subject are available at LaMarBoschman.com
LaMar Boschman: 0:00
Welcome to the LaMar Boschman podcast. This podcast series is called The Music of God, and in this episode we're going to discover the singers of heaven who sings in heaven and where they sound like? Well, I'm LaMar Boschman and I love this subject of music in the Bible In these episodes are topics from an in-depth online course called The Music of God available at LaMarBoschman.com. Let's join the conversation.
LaMar Boschman: 0:35
Welcome to this podcast. I'm LaMar Boschman, and we're exploring the secrets of the music of God as found in the Bible. Interesting study. It's based on the Music of God online course that you can access at LaMarBoschman.com. With me today is Batsirai Chada. He's from Toronto area, actually. Oshawa. Welcome, my friend.
Batsirai Chada: 0:57
Hey, how you doing?
LaMar Boschman: 0:58
Good. Good. Aren't you enjoying this?
Batsirai Chada: 1:02
Uh, I love the topic. And certainly something we wanna I don't want to get better a better understanding of, so
LaMar Boschman: 1:09
Yeah, good. Me too. And our topic today is the singers of heaven. What do they like? What do they sound like? And we're gonna explore that and who sings and how did they sing So, It's interesting because we wanted to be done on earth, as in heaven. Right? Amen, right, Right. Well, the first group that I've discovered that sing and of course, everybody thinks of them are the angels. We found in the book of Revelation that they encompass the outer circle around the throne. There's the four living creatures 24 elders and 144,000. And they're all positioned in the proximity of the throne and the lamb and this outer circumference of balconies and balconies of angels going upwards and downwards in every which way. I don't know which way is up in heaven and they're singing. You find it in Revelation seven in the N. R S V and all the angels fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God singing. So I'm blown away by this imagery. What do you see here?
Batsirai Chada: 2:19
You know, sometimes you know when you grow up, especially in the Christian world, you know, it's like, one day we're gonna be worshipping in heaven forever and ever. ever. Then, of course, we're looking at, you know, revelations. And we're seeing what the angels were singing Holy Holy Holy. Man, That's gonna get old quick. So I think a cool thing about that is like, What are they responding to? That lets them sing, the same phrases over and over. And it's, these singers are looking at God even though they've been there for a millennium, more like just trillions of years. Whatever you know, this is no time. They're still seeing new glimpses, and new aspects of God that caused them to spontaneously respond with Holy, holy, Holy! As if it was the first time she as if it was the first thing they saw. And every every new fan said, every glimpse is just as inspiring as the last
LaMar Boschman: 3:23
never ceasing and ever increasing exactly. And they're falling on their faces. That said, I never saw that before, and they are singing to God. They're emotionally moved at what they behold
Batsirai Chada: 3:36
exactly their physical bodies or their physical posture, whatever that that celestial body is like, is responding also. Yeah, um, so singing isn't even just a a vocal thing, but it is a physical response, you know, I think you said it once. That's just humans are instruments. You know we have, right..
LaMar Boschman: 4:03
We'll talk about that.
Batsirai Chada: 4:04
Yeah. So these singers are responding with their whole being to who God is, and and we say they sang.
LaMar Boschman: 4:12
Yeah. And then a revelation. Five won the N. R S v says thousands and thousands of angels were singing with full voice. Worthy is the lamb that was slaughtered. And so the emotion of that the passion of that and notice the subject or the focus is not the song they're singing. It's the focus is the subject of what they're singing. It's God and the intensity of that. Now there's another group that I discovered in what I call the martyrs, and John sees and hears this group, and they indicate that they've been killed by the satanic beast and refused to get his tattoo. They are very much alive in this situation, and they're standing before the throne and their endlessly singing praise and worship to God. It's amazing because they're so
LaMar Boschman: 5:05
excited that thank you for saving us. Thank you for giving us new life. Thank you for this entity we find ourselves in. And thank you for that we could be with you and they reflect back their gratitude act and His attributes.
Batsirai Chada: 5:19
I think response and offensive response is the best way to say it. But these are people who, um there's the redeemed people of the martyrs. There's the 24 elders. There are angels, the living creatures. And they all have a different relationship with God. Yeah, or different perspective and their their uniform response is in song. But the nature of this, the lyrics over their songs are slightly different. Um, and its contextual and but they're all in one accord, all in one, it's just one big orchestra, and they always see the songs happened in different times. Um, I don't know what it's like, you know? You know, right now in heaven, what's happening? John sees a special glimpse. Did he see something that happens in the future? Did he see, um, or is this something that's always going on? Even now, um, because heaven is outside of time.
LaMar Boschman: 6:20
Yeah, and I was looking at the verse here again. It says they sang out. They were victorious over the beast and over his image and over the number of his name. And they sang the song of God's servant, Moses in the Song of the Lamb They're singing of their first deliverer and the last deliverer that delivered them. They're singing and another aspect of how they're singing is they're celebrating. They're celebrating victory. So it's a very boisterous, victorious, celebratory song that they're singing and they're just excited to be alive. And they're natural action is to sing and make music to God. And then there's the four living creatures you talked about these are interesting entities cause in the King James ,John. They're described beasts or creatures that are alive, but there's nothing like them on earth. He couldn't compare him to anything. So in the language of comparison, there was nothing he could use. And so there's different translations. When I got into this on my course that I taught it Christ for the Nations and the music theology course we talked about who are these creatures, and what are they like? I call them aliens. You know, I'm Canadian, too. So hey, bro. Good to see you. High five. Okay. And when I come back to the United States, from being abroad. I have to go into the resident alien line because I'm a permanent residence here. But I'm an alien, meaning I'm not from around here from another place. So these creatures are nothing we know on earth. They're extra-celestial, their winged. They have wings. They very much probably are like cherubs. So their cherubic creatures with multiple faces full of eyes and often associated with the worship of heaven. And they're making music. And they're also connected with God's presence cause cherubs throughout the scriptures are connected with God's manifest presence. So these multi faced creatures full of eyes are worshipping and they're singing before the throne. What did it sound like? Oh, my gosh. You know how
Batsirai Chada: 8:36
they just seemed to stop you on that? Yeah. Full of eyes within and without. Yeah, there is nothing that goes on in the heavenly realm. Earthly around, created order. There's nothing that happens that they don't see.
LaMar Boschman: 8:50
Mmm. It's good.
Batsirai Chada: 8:51
They have nothing happens behind their back because they have eyes everywhere. Yep. And they have seen every beautiful thing they have seen. Everything that we even here would say is praiseworthy and good they have seen it all. And yet they're solitary song is holy. Holy holy is the Lord. Because having seen it all, you know we have that song. There is not like you. No one else can touch my heart.... I could search for all eternity long. Well, these guys have You've seen it all to have it. And their song is still holy. Holy holy is the Lord God Almighty. These are singers. The singers who have seen everything that is beautiful still know what is ultimately beautiful.
LaMar Boschman: 9:33
Yeah, Another group that's up there, the 24 ruling elders. They're kind of like ruling priests because there's 24 that speaks of the priestly ah, function of music and the temple of worship to God and the 24 shifts, et cetera, et cetera. But they're sitting on thrones. So they're kingly rulers. And scholars say that they're elders, like in the Jewish tradition, were there the council. They make judgments of their judges. They're plainly earth leaders. Some speculate they represent the 12 tribes and the 12 apostles. I don't know for sure, but the aspect is they're sitting there in the ruling and raining the of golden crowns, which speak of authority but also speak of divine nature. And they're sitting there and they're singing and praising God. But there's moments when they get up off the throne and violently cast their crowns at the foot of the lamb and the throne. It's not just here, you know. I give this to, you know, they throw them the aspect of casting him out passionately and then laying prostrating Holy obeisance before Him and total prostration. That's the extreme emotional context of this worship. And they're singing. It's crazy, while I kind of match of what it's like.
Batsirai Chada: 10:54
Yeah, and that that falling down and love again Matt Redman has an album called Face Down. And that physical response Yeah, to the majesty of God. Can I get any lower than this? How do I post position myself lower and I don't think it's out of fear and say you are so much higher and I just want to I don't know how to express it, cause it as humans we are... holy reverence. Yeah, there's a pride in us that's, you know, refuses to bend, refuses to bow, especially, you know, it's American were like, Oh, yeah, we pride ourselves on the freedom. But these are singers who are so aware of whom they're in the midst of right that they naturally respond by taking off their crowns and said, Listen, this thing on my head, thank you. Those words those crowns come from well, they were given right by the Lord to them. So they're taking off the very thing that He gave them. They are giving back what He gave them and so taking off, Hey, listen, thank you very much for this crown, but I want to take this off and to say that You are worthy even above this. And I am nowhere near... there cannot be another crown when the... you have a crown on your heads. I am not wearing a crown on my
LaMar Boschman: 12:25
Yeah, and they speak to me of all accomplishments, all prodigies and degrees and trophies and accomplishments that we've made. And we cast them at the feet of Him because He's worthy. And I I don't know if that's the actual lyric that they sing. Worthy
Batsirai Chada: 12:43
the are you a Lord? Yeah, our God to receive glory and honor and power, for you have created all things and because of your will, they existed and were created.
LaMar Boschman: 12:53
And so what you're talking about, that obeisance its like, a holy a deep reverence Because they're awestruck the sovereignty and the power of Him who they behold. But also, it's in great honor of Him. In tradition and Middle East. You would bow your forehead to the ground in honor to the one that you're approaching. And that is deep respect shows a reverence. And I think that's another aspect of what they're doing. They're just no sauntering. How you doing? Jesus, good to see yay. I hope the hope the music's good today hope to play my song. Do you take any requests? Never been in a worship service like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Batsirai Chada: 13:34
Is that what the concept of the weight of glory? Yes. Yes. Somebody's all of a sudden gave me 500 lbs on my shoulder. Maybe my knees would bend. I'm pretty strong. I probably do some, but, most people, most of us, would buckle under the weight. And I wonder if there's an aspect of that that there's a glory in the room that I'm falling down under the weight of this glory, not out of, I'm afraid I have to do something wrong. But I cannot do anything but bend and fall prostrate and cast my crown. Yes, and the only authentic response is this. Right now we can choose to bend our knee, but there will be a day where that choice is no longer ours.
LaMar Boschman: 14:23
Yeah, that's strong
Batsirai Chada: 14:24
and not out of again. I don't think I know the father is not a punitive of kind of I'm gonna kill you if you don't. But I think it's more the weights of glory that when He's in the room and in such a way in that throne room, our knees bend and we fall face down.
LaMar Boschman: 14:42
All generations, all peoples that go to the other side are gonna have that same experience. It's powerful. I know my dad's passed. My mom's passed, and so when I'm looking at her body in the coffin, as I sang at her funeral, I know that's not her temple, that's that's her her dirt suit. But she said that and the real her Is in heaven worshipping unrestricted without her musical limitations before the Lord and total honor and power. There's other singers in heaven. There's the all creatures. We mentioned this in a previous of podcast. Crocodiles and reptiles. There's worms, badgers and ants in the earth, and all that's in the sea. The salmon the Octopus, the whales and red birds and bluebirds are all singing to God. The Bible says every creature, the amberjack and the humpback. I mean, just think about every creature is singing to God. Uh, Harks and larks. They're all crying out to Him in glorious celebration in and honoring the one that created them whales and quails. They're all I feel, a song coming. All
Batsirai Chada: 16:00
right, Whales and quails. And if l went silent, even the very rocks Yes, would cry out.
LaMar Boschman: 16:08
So there you get the coral and the coral in the floral. All molecular structures crying out to God. They all sing to their heavenly king. Glory to God in the highest. So
Batsirai Chada: 16:21
why wouldn't we given all this is the natural response of all creation, all of heaven, not just not just on Earth. We're the one being who has the ability to come before him and choose, we can choose to sing. We can choose to honor him. Yes, doesn't choose to fall. I mean, it's gonna be a day where there is no choice and every knee will bow. And every one confess all the singers in the created order. We're the only ones with the choice who have been given the choice. And I think that means so much more to a father when his children choose sing, choose to give gifts that choose to respond in worship and in obedience and all these kind of things. It's such a tender. It's like all this means a lot to me because you could have chosen something else. And you chose this, right?
LaMar Boschman: 17:17
We're coming to the end of our time together, and so thank you. Batsirai for this conversation. You inspire me, and and you got a great imagination. You need to write more songs. You know what I'm saying,
Batsirai Chada: 17:30
uh, that's bad is a prophetic word for the moment where you go much more. Your book A Heart of Worship was certainly the first book that woke worship up within me. I've known about worship, but I read that book and every page came alive. Every I I think I read it in the course of, like, two days, and that changed the trajectory of my life completely. It wasn't so much music anymore, is about the worship of the King. And so, um, that was about 25 years ago. That was about 1995, 25 years ago. To be sitting here talking about music with you, is there is a God?
Batsirai Chada: 18:11
It's just that you know how to orchestrate everything.
LaMar Boschman: 18:14
Yeah, I'm glad God put us together. You're welcome. And that's the power of books. That's the power of online courses. And that's what this is about. We want to put in you the principles of music making in the Bible so that you could take it to a whole new generation into your neighborhood. And so check it out. LaMarBoschman.com There's a link on the front page online courses that are transformational, and there's one on the Authentic, which is about worship of God and the others on the music of God, and you'll enjoy those. So follow us on your favorite social media has been a great time exploring the singers of heaven. And our next episode we're gonna talk about who plays instruments in heaven and what kind of instruments? So we look forward to our next podcast and we'll see you soon. God bless you.