Catalytic keynote speaker LaMar Boschman discusses the songs in heaven with Batsirai Chada. What are they like and what do they sound like? What language and musical style are they? What is the focus of the lyrics and what do they sound like? If you enjoy music you will enjoy discovering the songs of heaven.
These topics are in a transformational online course called The Music of God that will help you know how to use music to experience God's presence and power resulting in miracles.
LaMar's books on the subject are available at LaMarBoschman.com
LaMar Boschman: 0:00
Hey, I'm LaMar Boschman. Welcome to this podcast episode, and we're exploring the music in God's Kingdom. What is it like? The topic of our conversation this episode are the songs of heaven what language and lyrics do they have? And if you've ever wondered what the songs of heaven are like, you will be intrigued by this episode. Hey, I'm LaMar Boschman. Welcome to this session of this podcast, the music of God. And we're studying and exploring the secrets of the music and God's kingdom--music in the Bible. What the Bible says about music in God's economy and how it's so different and interesting from what we know as the art form of music that we make and write and compose and perform, So it is gonna be mind boggling. So I'm glad you're joining us. Tell your friends to join us. This is an excerpt, or this is a discussion is from an online course that I have called The Music of God, where I give you the scriptures. I give you the background. I give you the principles of what the Bible says about music. And then there's a quiz that goes with it. So you could take this course. It has 20 sessions. They're like 3 to 5 minute long videos and you can get the essence of what we're sharing. But in this podcast we're exploring the same topic, but in a different way. The background and all the scriptures are in the course, but our topic today is the Songs of Heaven. And so have you ever considered what the songs that have it are like, Very interesting? John said. The 24 elders fell before the One who is seated on the throne. They began to sing. They began to cry out to God. This is interesting that there are songs in heaven. So we want to identify what those songs like, what some other qualities are. But before we do that, I want invite Batsirai Chada to Join us and he's coming to us from Toronto. Welcome. Batsirai
Batsirai Chada: 2:10
A thank you. Good to be here again.
LaMar Boschman: 2:13
Excellent. Well, we've had some great discussions so far and I'm looking forward to this subject because you're a worship leader, your musician, a singer. And you love songs, right? And singing
Batsirai Chada: 2:24
Love it man. There's nothing better than you know a good song
LaMar Boschman: 2:30
because absolutely expresses yourself right
Batsirai Chada: 2:35
Exactly. Like it sounds so simple when you say it. Then there's like, Yeah, it's it's got a true you know, with the right target. You know, the right person you're singing to Earth, this right subject matter if it's authentic and real. And there's very few things in the earth, you know, like it.
LaMar Boschman: 2:49
Yeah, What can you imagine if we enjoy it, how much they must enjoy it in heaven? Because the book of Revelation alone. Scholars say there's 28 songs listed there, and that's another reason I consider what is happening in heaven being musical is because they're not only poetry, but in many translations they're indented, and they're actually lyrics that different creatures in heaven sing to Yahweh of His ominous nature. This transcendent theme just inspires me as a music maker here on Earth, like man, I want to go to another level. I like the transcendence, and I can't imagine what the sounds are. Can't imagine what the melodies are like or the overtones, the harmonies, the pulses. But we we gotta understand. It's nothing like what we know here on earth. That's why John had to use the language of comparison. He said. Well, His voice was as the sound of many waters. It wasn't exactly, it was much bigger, and His his hair was white, like wool. But not exactly. It is high, like flames of fire, but not really. They're more like lasers. But we didn't. We don't have lasers today, so you could see what it is like, and the intensity and so one thing that strikes me about the songs of heaven as I look at it first, the lyrics because we don't have the melody. We don't have the musicality of it. But we have the lyrics and the kind of song they sang. Lyrics of the songs of Heaven. Something is obvious there that stands out to me, and that is the songs are not about me. Earth dwellers are only in a few of the songs of heaven because the redeemed, they're saying, and they thank God for their salvation. But it's not about them, and no it's all about Him. You're my great deliverer. The martyrs, the Messianic Jews. They're all crying out to God for their deliverance because they once were dead. But now they're alive and they're playing their guitars and they're singing. What does that say to you?
Batsirai Chada: 4:54
Worship starts with seeing Him. You, our hearts respond to your revelation. And here on earth, our hearts are responding to how he has revealed himself in Christ Jesus. And so we're like, Oh, my gosh. So we worship in response that but now in heaven, where that veil is lifted and we did we see plainly it clearly come I So how do our hearts respond? How do how do we others, our mind and our creative body You know that your body how does that respond? I would think it was music. And I love that music cover so many things in terms of what we're able to what we're trying to express and rather than it being like, Oh, hey, I got up here to sing you a song. I think it's just it's a dish of authenticity. It's inauthentic response to an awe inspiring sights. Yes, and
LaMar Boschman: 5:45
All inclusive of all kinds of emotions and passion encapsulates that because in heaven one thing I notice is they're all singing and extolling the grandeur and the greatness of God, the mystery and the majesty of God that stands out to me that the lyrics, our reflection of who and what He is. I don't know. I personally think our music making these Christians need to go up Ah, few more notches. I love that what you read in the last episode about Rice's lyrics. Powerful, but I think we need to We need to go there instead of saying more about us.
Batsirai Chada: 6:24
What makes music special is that subjects if someone writes a song about their newborn baby or you know it all that's so beautiful and what makes it beautiful, while the subject matter made it beautiful the fact that we're talking about this newborn baby made the song special. When we're singing lyrics that are describing who God is are extolling those virtues and our just opening our mind up to all He is. back in the day architecture was for cathedrals was meant. Cathedrals were built to inspire awe
LaMar Boschman: 7:00
to look up.
Batsirai Chada: 7:01
To look up and take our eyes above the earth and so look upwards and and they called our gaze upwards. And we don't have cathedrals so much today on dinar sort of Protestant thing way. We get rid of any kind of signage or imagery of God because you know, we're just uncomfortable with that. And so I would say, And they would say that songs have become the new cathedrals. Very good songs have the ability to lift our eyes off ourselves. Songs have the ability to to open up our imagination. I think of that song indescribable, its ability to sort of with lyric open our minds up to all the possibilities and the indescribable nature of God and gives us language to express things that we know in our spirit. You know, we don't have language for it, but we know in our spirits. And so when a great lyric comes up across, it doesn't just teach us something, but it reveals something and allows us to express something that we didn't have prior words for.
LaMar Boschman: 8:07
And that's the power of lyric. And I like what you said about the newborn baby. The subject was what made it powerful and communicated something significant. We could have the background music. It adds emotion, but the subject matter causes it to explode, and it communicates even more. So, I think that's another reason why music is not so... well, we don't know the music of heaven, the literal melodies and overtones and arrangements. But we have the lyrics, and that tells us that the lyrics are crucial. The lyrics are absolutely important. Another thing I noticed about the tones and and styles of songs in heaven is there's hat multi ethnic choir in heaven of every nation, every tribe, every people, every tongue, every language. And they're all singing to God and every nation. So, I think he sees them in with their... possibly their instruments, I'm not sure, but in their costumes, the native skin color I don't know. We have new suits there. We have new you know, we have a spirit bodies. I don't know how it all works, but he sees the distinction of nations and languages and cultures, and in that he hears them all, making melody and singing to God. Now, when I think about that, I think of Chinese when I when I have an interpreter preaching in Singapore in Mandarin, his verbiage is a lot longer than mine in English and the meter's different and same with Russian. Same one when I'm in Brazil that there's a different meter. And so all of these people
Batsirai Chada: 9:53
LaMar Boschman: 9:53
are singing and so it cannot be on beat 1,2,3, and four. It's a polyphonic, harmonic orchestral flowing of a mass ethnic choir, and they're all singing spontaneously.
Batsirai Chada: 10:08
Exactly. So how does that strike you? What does that say to you? I think it speaks of authenticity and, you know, it's a different direction. But where our authentic? Response to God is music lyrics that are authentic to us. And we want to see us in that in that sense of multi ethnic, multi national kind of gathering of the saints, there's different people, different races, different ethnic groups, cultures. They're all responding authentically. I think it was on Facebook, you know, recently somebody was asking, you know, should my Midwestern church, you know, be singing some Spanish songs. Just trying to be as multi ethnic as we can. And, you know, it was like if you don't have those people in your church, you don't feel the stress. I don't think the Egyptian Church is struggling to learn Indonesian songs for the sake of being multinational or interracial or anything like that? And this is not about that. So much is it about being authentic? So, of course, if you're in a multi ethnic church which has made some Spanish people and some Chinese people or whatever, then yeah, hey, as a worship leader, you might want to include some of their culture human there, depending on your leadership. But in heaven, there's so many things up there, so many different languages. It's authentic to the people, and it's their authentic response to God,
LaMar Boschman: 11:42
so that just
Batsirai Chada: 11:43
makes it beautiful.
LaMar Boschman: 11:44
They're just bubbling up and what they're used to with the form they're used to. They're not trying to be stylistic to meet a genre that's popular. They're not performing. They're not faking or pretending or being something they're not. I love that's
Batsirai Chada: 11:58
what this is a Father who's saying, I love my children, and if my children want to come and speak, you know this language or this language as long as it's authentic. And if my children are authentically restoring it in my love with their their best expression with their best offering, which is gonna be what's true and natural and instinctual for them. Then I am blessed. I love when I hear my child speak. I have two Children, you know? So if my son came in was trying to prove his love by speaking in Mandarin and stumbling over the words it is like, Well, thank you for trying to impress me. But, man, when you snuggle up and just say I love you
LaMar Boschman: 12:41
and sing to him and you're
Batsirai Chada: 12:43
sing to me in my ear and I sing back to you nothing can beat that if we if you switch the language, you don't know for the sake of trying to be exploratory or, you know innovative. But if we want to connect heart to heart, father and son, father and daughter, it's going to be from this place of authenticity and simplicity. And so that's why I love that picture of everybody in heaven singing in their own song. Many languages, many voices, many different types of instruments. You know, the Indians of Southeast Asian people having different musical scale complete.
LaMar Boschman: 13:21
Batsirai Chada: 13:21
they have tones between our tones. So they're going at the same time and you know So
LaMar Boschman: 13:28
what does that sound like sound like white noise, right? That's where that may sound of many waters. And that's exactly what John said. White noise is all frequencies sounding simultaneously. Another thing that tells me about that group that was singing is that God loves diversity. He loved diversity, of styles, a musicality of diversity, of styles. And that just blesses because you look a creation, snowflakes all different. Our thumbprints are all different. Fingerprints are difficult, likes differences, different languages, different peoples, different cultures and races. And so when we try to be the same, is that satanic? I don't know. It's not God's way. God doesn't want us to be the same. He wants us to be diverse. He wants to appreciate all groups, so that's a little exaggeration there. But it gets us to think, and jars our thinking. Another thing I found out about music in heaven is, Can you guess what the most popular song is in heaven? What is some most often in heaven? What, what kind of song? The spontaneous song. There you go because, like you said in their authenticity, they behold Him. They instantly reflects something of God's greatness of grandeur, so it's in the moment
LaMar Boschman: 14:42
song. It's not a performed a practice piece. That's what I love about the music heaven. And that's where the power moment is. You'll find out in this study the music of God, that God's most favorite song is the in-the-moment song. The spontaneous, instantaneous, extemporaneous song that we sing to Him, not the ones we perform. That's not the power moment. That's not God's preference. He heard it before when Matt Redman sang it to him in his bedroom. Okay, now He wants to hear your song. So sorry. Last thank you to the camera. I guess so excited about the subject.
Batsirai Chada: 15:18
I love that. And I have this analogy for that, um and it's the Hallmark card. When you get a Hallmark card from a loved one and you open the card, your eyes instinctively go to the handwritten part. Yeah, it could have been a gold laced card with beautiful prose. It was written by the top hallmark card writer, but I don't know personally, I usually skip all that, and I jumped to the handwritten part. It could be a beautifully hand written thing like with perfect, you know, script writing. Or it could be in, you know, my child sort of chicken scratch writing just says, I love you and the l's backward and everything, but we jump there and we love that. And we love that authentic expression that's in the movement. More so than perfect prose that the Hallmark card comes in, you know, sort of stamped with. If we ever got a card from a loved one and it didn't have that had been written part, we would question we would sort of like something's missing. And if we got a a handmade card from our five year old child and it was a piece of paper, you know, folded and had a some crayons, scratching and nicely written. I love you. Um, that would mean the world to us. And so If you think of the art form of songs today they are like the card. And upon those cards we want to find space to put our spontaneous song, right? Because that's what the Father wants to hear from us. He wants to hear from us.
LaMar Boschman: 16:44
Well, we're running out of time, and we got two more points to make, so I want to quickly throw them in. One is the song of Moses and the Messiah. It's the first song of the Bible and the last song of the Bible. It's the song of the first deliverer and the song of the last deliverer. It's an interesting study, and you can look at it at the Music of God online course. But there's another song that was, uh, sung at Jesus incarnation. When he came to the earth as a child and the shepherds were out in the darkness. There's no lights, and suddenly it was with the angel, a multitude of heavenly host praising God and singing and saying, and the word praising has an aspect of singing praises. And so scholars believe that these angels, at least thousands and thousands of them, if not more, marched out of the heavens when the sky split open and these light bearers in the darkness of the night with just a campfire begin to sing to earth dwellers, a song that they prepared. They said it was a perhaps a predetermined piece, and they saying glory to God in the highest on earth. peace, goodwill toward men in Luke, chapter two. So this tells us that Angels sang this song and prepared this song and that this is one of the few accounts in the Bible that a group of angels were heard singing to earth dwellers. It's a really interesting study, and so it brings up all kinds of questions like, Why did they and their song was in the context of still worship to God, Glory to God in the highest They weren't singing Hey, dude, check it out and boom they are doing their latest beat They're trying to communicate, to be relevant. No, they're glorifying God. But these poor, simple shepherds and their poor because they're like the travel, the country, the live with sheep they were despised. They were considered robbers because it's steel and pilfer as they go around. They weren't high class people where this song could be really appreciated in the greatest theaters of Europe or something. Just these lowly shepherds and this song happens. I don't know. It blows my mind. I can't wait till the video comes out or a movie. You know what any of the Angel Army movie.
Batsirai Chada: 19:02
Yeah, but I think I mean, if you think of the incarnation what that moment would have meant semen in the heart of God. Yeah, that the plan that he had from before the foundation of the earth. God has become a man and the mind blowing just even for angels. Even if God didn't send them and say, Hey, go sing this. For them, that would have been mind blowing. Yes, mine boy. And so f This incarnation is like Glory to God in the highest and peace be to men on earth and goodwill to men on earth. And just you, Do you know what just happened? I live in Toronto, Canada, and the Toronto Raptors. Won the NBA finals last year, and very a proud moment for us on the streets went berserk and people who didn't know each other just burst out in song, right? Why? Because of the joy, that of the moment. But it's also a way of commemorating the moment that this was a significant. The first championship in Toronto by the Toronto Raptors. And people sang at the top thereof is shouted. There was a an expression an explosion of joy because of the significance of the moment. That was a that was a trophy for a basketball game. Yeah, that's what more God becoming men, man and shifting the whole history of God, shifting the possibilities for men and angels minds are exploding at this and to commemorate this amazing moment, the onl our only response is song.
LaMar Boschman: 20:41
And that's why at creation, they saying the same way there, so emotionally elated they couldn't help themselves seeing God's miracle, creative working power. Well we're coming to the end of this podcast and I'm LaMar Boschman. And this is Batsirai Chada from Toronto. And we're having some great discussions about the possibility of what music is like in God's economy, particularly music in heaven. And I want to challenge you to apply this to you. What does this mean to you? How can you make it be done in your earth and your earthly music making as it is in heaven? It challenges us to go to a higher level, is calling us up because one of the things about the songs of heaven it's all in worship of God and worship to God and contains the lyrics about His nature and attributes. So this is real interesting. And thank you for ah, helping us and inspiring us?
Batsirai Chada: 21:41
No, thank you no this content is inspiring. And if we can just get a glimpse of what it means, it will transform how we do things here on earth.
LaMar Boschman: 21:50
Yeah. Yeah. Amen. That's right. Well, there next podcast. We're gonna be talking about singers in heaven who sings and what they're doing and how they sing et cetera, et cetera. So this is an interesting study of the music of God. So make sure you check out the online course, the Music of God at LaMarBoschman.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube and Facebook and get more truths about music in God's Kingdom. And we'll see in the next session.